1 1 2 EMRE - ILEU 3 4 Collective Bargaining Agreement Negotiations Tuesday, June 22, 2021 5 Commencing at 10:00 p.m. 6 HELD REMOTELY VIA ZOOM 7 --- Day 62 --- 8 P R E S E N T: 9 10 EXXONMOBIL RESEARCH AND ENGINEERING COMPANY: 11 JEFFELEE McCLAIN, CLINTON SITE HR MANAGER JOSH BRYANT, CLINTON SITE LABOR ADVISOR 12 YUK LOUIE, R&D OPERATIONS MANAGER 13 INDEPENDENT LABORATORY EMPLOYEES' UNION: 14 STEVEN RAGOMO, PRESIDENT THOMAS FREDRIKSEN, VICE PRESIDENT 15 ETHAN SEBASCO, SECRETARY THOMAS FERRO, TREASURER 16 DAVID LEBRON, ACT DELEGATE MICHAEL MOLINA, PO&T DELEGATE 17 PAUL MADIARA, DELEGATE MICHAEL STRASSER, CSR STEWARD 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 2 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Thank you for meeting 2 with us again today. We have an all-day session, I 3 think it is 10:00 to 4:00. All-day session, so that 4 is good. This is our last session before June 30, 5 so I would like to get as much done today as 6 possible. 7 So to start the day out, I have a 8 counterproposal that I am going to give to you that 9 we can lead with for the discussion. 10 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Just give me requisite 12 time to struggle with this internet thing. 13 I sent the e-mail and I am sharing my 14 screen. Let me know if you see it. 15 MS. McCLAIN: Yes. 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: The last time, we 17 presented the Company with what I would call 18 radically different proposal, which featured a new 19 concept that has never been before discussed at this 20 bargaining table. The Company took 46 minutes to 21 weigh the pros and cons of that concept. I don't 22 really feel that that was a lot of time, so I can 23 think of a couple reasons why that might have been. 24 One of them might have been that it went too far for 25 the Company's interest. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 3 1 So to try to narrow the scope of this 2 idea, I have limited it to the final year of the 3 contract, which is Year 4. I have clearly stated 4 that it is defined below without a number. So it is 5 the final year of the contract. 6 "The parties agree that 60 days prior 7 to June 1, 2023 of the collective agreement, wage 8 rate negotiations for the remaining one year of the 9 collective agreement shall commence. These 10 negotiations shall be limited to wages only and/or 11 other matters agreed between the parties. In the 12 event the parties are unable to satisfactorily 13 conclude such negotiations within 60 days, there 14 shall be no strike or lockout. And if the parties 15 are unable to agree, if any changes occur, the 16 parties shall resolve the dispute through binding 17 interest arbitration. The parties will agree to the 18 appointment of the interest arbitrator within 14 19 days through the process already established in 20 Article VIII." 21 MS. McCLAIN: We lost someone. 22 (Discussion off the record.) 23 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Now, we have a couple 24 of things I want to highlight to this. We have some 25 timelines that are defined here discretely. We have Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 4 1 been bargaining for -- this is our 62nd session. 2 When we started bargaining and the Company had eight 3 people on the team. Now the Company has three 4 people. Now I assume other resources are being 5 allocated to the bargaining process. So the 6 timelines here are pretty short. You can't fit 62 7 sessions in a 60-day window, just for example. 8 And granted our real primary problem 9 with the Company is their contracting out proposal, 10 and I understand that. But another thing that we 11 haven't been able to see eye to eye is our 12 compensation. The Company last time said that they 13 are not comfortable having a third-party come in and 14 determine our compensation. Or actually, I think 15 the language you used was anything between the two 16 of us. So -- 17 MS. McCLAIN: On wages in this case. 18 MR. FREDRIKSEN: On wages. 19 MS. McCLAIN: Right. 20 MR. FREDRIKSEN: So I don't really 21 understand that. I think this is an attractive 22 proposal. And just arbitration, just to point out, 23 is a PRO employer, like statute. It exists, like 24 you said, in the public sector for when strikes 25 would be devastating not only to the employer, but Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 5 1 also to society at large. It is something that you 2 have, you maintain work continuity. It is a -- this 3 is for a discreet period of time, so it can't drag 4 on indefinitely. It is only for one year of the 5 contract. I think New Jersey also has additional 6 requirements on interest arbitration that I 7 recommend you look into. I am not 100 percent 8 familiar, so I am not going to go through it. But I 9 think it is even simpler and even more straight -- 10 it makes the process straightforward. 11 So if the Company is worried that an 12 interest arbitrator is going to go for like a 20 13 percent increase for the Union, it is not going to 14 happen. I don't even think it is possible. So I 15 really do highly encourage you to look into this. 16 We had a town hall meeting last week. 17 People brought up a variety of issues, you know, 18 primarily the contracting out proposal makes them 19 feel like they are being marginalized. They brought 20 up issues of, you know, that they are being 21 overworked and understaffed. But a lot of them feel 22 that they are not being fairly compensated. Many 23 people haven't had a raise that meets inflation in a 24 long time, not only just the last three years, but 25 the prior five years as well as the previous Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 6 1 contract. 2 So our bargaining -- our buying power 3 decreases year to year. And a large part of that 4 has to do with the people's faith and the 5 membership's faith in the idea that the Company 6 even, quite frankly, pardon my French, gives a shit 7 about our compensation, as long as they can continue 8 to keep hiring people, they will pay us as little as 9 possible. That is basically the sentiment. 10 So having two parties determine this, 11 you know, really kind of -- it does narrow it down 12 to having, you know, the Company and Union having 13 the primary -- you know, the only say in what the 14 wages are. I hope you also appreciate that it also 15 limits the Union's options in terms of the things 16 that we can do to try to persuade the Company to 17 give us a fair wage. So I really do encourage you 18 to consider this. 19 I stand by what I said last time that I 20 do strongly believe that this would tie us to the 21 Company's financials, not only in just the short 22 term, but you can make any argument you want to the 23 arbitrator about the direction the Company is going 24 in. So this is really not the way you represented 25 it to be. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 7 1 So in any case, here is the scope, it 2 is only for one year. It is very straightforward. 3 I think that you should consider it. 4 MS. McCLAIN: Is this the only change 5 to the proposal? 6 MR. FREDRIKSEN: This is the only 7 change. 8 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. All right. I will 9 caucus and again talk with my team. I am just 10 looking here at the language. 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: The last time we 12 talked, you said it was confusing to have an article 13 wage rate and the year value at the top. 14 MS. McCLAIN: Well, I was asking, you 15 know, what happens, right, if -- 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Now it is clearly 17 defined that nothing happens unless we go through 18 this process. 19 MS. McCLAIN: I see that. I see that. 20 Okay. 21 MR. FREDRIKSEN: For a cost savings 22 measure for the Company, I would define this as 23 immense. If you want me to numerically calculate 24 the cost savings, let me know. We can start out 25 with -- you can tell me the three of yours salary. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 8 1 You can tell me the salary of the other eight people 2 that were on the Company's bargaining team. We can 3 go from there. That is something to start with. 4 Because your time is being taken up by 5 this and, you know, that is not going unnoticed by 6 us. 7 MS. McCLAIN: And I understand, you 8 know, what you are saying. You know, you see what 9 the pros and cons are to this. And again, here -- 10 so this would be two years of a contract, and then 11 the last year we would be looking at the, you know, 12 undefined wages and then going through this process. 13 Okay. No, I understand right now what you are 14 saying. 15 MR. FREDRIKSEN: As another point, I 16 will also had, it seemed like -- I don't know if it 17 was from your tone or if I am inferring too much but 18 -- you pointed out that we would only be not 19 bargaining for a short period of time until we had 20 to get right back into it. This gives you another 21 year before any of that has to recommence. So 22 another point in favor of this. 23 MS. McCLAIN: Yes, this was -- the last 24 proposal was -- yeah, it was just defined for the 25 one year. I see that here, that you have moved that Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 9 1 out. Okay. 2 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. 3 MS. McCLAIN: Let me talk with, you 4 know, our team and, you know, the concerns around 5 the, you know, interest bargaining of having an 6 arbitrator present our issues and settle wages is 7 still a concern. It is still there. 8 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Why is it a concern? 9 Let's talk about that if you are going to bring that 10 up. Why is it a concern? 11 MS. McCLAIN: I think for us, you know, 12 in determining wages, we like to look at all of the 13 factors involved. You know, meet with you, 14 negotiate with the Union on those matters, and 15 settle them at the table. Having a third-party 16 coming in to decide how we pay outside of our 17 negotiations with the Union, you know, is not 18 something we are interested in. 19 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Is the Company not 20 confident in its wage arguments? 21 MS. McCLAIN: That is not the case. 22 The case is simply, you know, leaving our business 23 to be decided to a third-party. We totally 24 understand -- 25 MR. FREDRIKSEN: That is a ridiculous Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 10 1 overgeneralization of the process, "leaving the 2 business to be determined by a third-party." 3 MS. McCLAIN: How we pay our people, 4 right? 5 MR. FREDRIKSEN: This is a tiny, tiny 6 fraction. It is a tiny, tiny fraction of the cost 7 to the site, and it is only going to be like a 8 percent or two. Right? It is not going to be much. 9 I think you can understand that this process is not 10 going to lead the Company to some gigantic financial 11 burden. And I think if you look into it further, 12 you will find that that is generally not the case. 13 In fact, I would say it is probably never the case. 14 MS. McCLAIN: And we will -- I get 15 that. We will take it back and talk. I was simply 16 trying to, you know, give you my thoughts at this 17 time, you know, of where I recognize that you have 18 changed the -- you know, your proposal, but there 19 are still elements of the proposal, right, that we 20 talked about. 21 And just so that we are clear, in the 22 comprehensive proposal that we provided and then 23 your counter here, it is -- this is the aspect on 24 wages, but yet contracting the holiday Savings Plan 25 remain the same, correct? Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 11 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Correct. 2 MS. McCLAIN: I just wanted to make 3 sure. Okay. 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Are you bringing that 5 up because you are saying you are not going to make 6 any changes to the counterproposal until we address 7 those issues? 8 MS. McCLAIN: I am not saying that. I 9 am saying that there is a comprehensive proposal 10 that we have on the table where we factor in all of 11 the issues that we have talked about. 12 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. You also 13 factored in the ratification bonus in all of the 14 wage arguments you gave to us. So how is the 15 Company going to readjust their wage offer when you 16 get rid of the ratification bonus? 17 MS. McCLAIN: And with the ratification 18 bonus, we have said that this is a -- you know, it 19 is intended to incentivize quick ratification. We 20 have left it on the table. 21 MR. FREDRIKSEN: You actually justified 22 it in other ways, JeffeLee, not just for quick 23 ratification. You justified the gaps in our two 24 wage arguments. You justified the difference 25 between the Towers, Willis & Watson wage survey. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 12 1 You used the ratification bonus to say that it is 2 part of our compensation offer, not just to get a 3 contract. 4 MS. McCLAIN: No. The context in which 5 we said that was there is a wage offer on the table. 6 There is also ratification bonus that you could use. 7 MR. FREDRIKSEN: That is not true. You 8 are lying. Do you want me to pull up the 9 transcript? 10 MS. McCLAIN: I disagree. 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: You don't have to 12 disagree. I read the transcripts, JeffeLee. When 13 was the last time you read the transcripts? 14 MS. McCLAIN: I disagree. You know, we 15 can go back and you can read transcripts, if that is 16 what you would like. However, you know, we have -- 17 MR. FREDRIKSEN: That is what I will 18 do. 19 MS. McCLAIN: -- talked about 20 ratification bonuses. You know, very separately as 21 a ratification bonus, there was a wage offer on the 22 table and that you could use your ratification bonus 23 in many different ways because it was and it is 24 equivalent to, you know, whatever percentage of your 25 salary, I think is how we -- how we classified it or Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 13 1 couched it. 2 MR. FREDRIKSEN: This is more gas 3 lighting. I don't understand why you feel the need 4 to lie when your records -- all of your words on 5 transcripts. 6 MS. McCLAIN: I disagree. You know, 7 and I don't appreciate you saying that I am lying 8 when I am not. I have classified and characterized 9 the ratification bonus separately that is why they 10 are there. It is a ratification bonus and a wage 11 offer. 12 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I will pull up -- 13 during your caucus, when you consider our proposal 14 fairly, I will pull up the notes from the 15 transcripts. 16 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. Okay. Anything 17 else? 18 MR. FREDRIKSEN: No. 19 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. So we can caucus. 20 (Remote negotiations recessed at 10:21 21 a.m. and resumed at 11:53 a.m.) 22 MS. McCLAIN: Thanks for getting back 23 together before lunch. The Company has reviewed and 24 considered the Union's proposal. You know, I think 25 it is going to be best for us to send you over, you Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 14 1 know, the Company's offer that reflects the changes 2 with Auto Mechanic titles and descriptions, you 3 know, like we have -- like you have reflected as 4 well. So Josh is going to send that over to you, 5 and I will display it. 6 Like I said, we thought it would be 7 best to update C5 where we had proposed the changes 8 to the Auto Mechanics titles and we made the changes 9 to the box there, and we understand that the Union 10 in their proposal that they sent over agreed with 11 that. 12 As you will see in the rest of 13 proposal, nothing else has changed from the 14 Company's proposal provided June -- well, April 28, 15 and then reflective of the Auto Mechanic updates on 16 June 11. 17 I know that we were talking about the 18 Union's proposal on wages. And, you know, while I 19 understand where you are coming from on the 20 proposal, you know, the Company has always said that 21 we are looking -- well, we are looking at economics, 22 we look and measure against many factors, right. 23 That our economic offer is intended to 24 be a comprehensive offer that takes into account the 25 factors we have spoken about before, like the Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 15 1 totality agreement, the gives and takes of 2 bargaining, the -- our market data, our attrition 3 data, our ability to retain and attract people. You 4 know, that it is not just one issue that goes into 5 settling an economic offer. 6 You know, we also are looking at a 7 go-forward agreement. We are here, we are 8 bargaining. You know, we want to give certainty to 9 folks about, you know, what this future obligation 10 will be, right, and what they are going to get from 11 this offer. 12 So I know that one thing I did want to 13 point out, you mentioned that folks were looking for 14 increases that matched inflation. We had 15 conversations about that and that inflation isn't 16 the target for the Company. Right. It is 17 maintaining competitiveness, as well as all of the 18 other factors that go into it that we talked about. 19 And I just wanted to point out that, 20 you know, our offer still provides in 2021, if you 21 guys accept it, the highest bargained economics with 22 the most total cash. And, you know, we think that 23 this is -- even after three years of zero increases 24 and in a situation where, for professionals and 25 admins, you know, they are also receiving zero Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 16 1 increases. And there are other sites that we had 2 provided you with data, on the other sites a couple 3 of weeks ago in Olathe or Baton Rouge that are also 4 receiving zero increases. You know, that even with 5 that factoring in, even with looking at our site and 6 recent attrition, our staffing levels, our ability 7 to develop people, we still feel that our wages and 8 our economic offer is appropriate. 9 Specifically, you prefer to -- interest 10 arbitration, like I said, we are here. We are 11 bargaining. We prefer that wages be bargained. And 12 that, you know, we are looking for a comprehensive 13 agreement right now. And so, you know, we are not 14 interested in deferring a decision on 2023 wages 15 after we have bargained, and we are not interested 16 in leaving it to a third-party to decide on wages. 17 So we believe that, you know, the offer is 18 competitive and that you have our best offer. So 19 that is what we are -- 20 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Before we broke for 21 caucus, I expressed to you that the Company had 22 represented the ratification bonus as part of its 23 comprehensive wage offer. And, JeffeLee, you 24 disagreed with me that this was already -- this was 25 always represented as a standalone thing and only Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 17 1 used to ratify the contract. So I am going to read 2 for you some lines from the transcript. 3 MS. McCLAIN: Sure. 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: June 19, 2018. It is 5 quite early. On Page 2 and 3, Russ Giglio described 6 it as a competitive-wage package with annual 7 increases and a ratification bonus. 8 July 8, 2018, Page 84 and 85. 9 Mr. Giglio. I will read the whole thing, because I 10 think the context is important for this one: 11 "Mr. Giglio: Yes, we are. We are 12 trying to get things done. Moving onto wages. 13 Again, we had checked the math, which I said, and I 14 don't know why you chose to, when you calculated the 15 proposal from the Company that is on the table, I 16 don't know why you chose to exclude the ratification 17 bonus, but a 5,000-dollar upfront payment, time, 18 value, money over five years. If you extrapolate 19 that out and you look at the economics, we are above 20 2.03 percent, not the 1.65 that you depicted there. 21 "So frankly, the offer that we proposed 22 is better than the last two bargaining agreements, 23 and I already elaborated on the 2006 not being 24 applicable because it was an entirely different 25 economic time. So I think if you want to understand Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 18 1 the economic proposals, you have to factor in all 2 the economics in that proposal. 3 "So with that, I think we have 4 justified quite well our statement that what is on 5 the table is a very fair and competitive factor. 6 "Mr. Fredriksen: So you said a 7 5,000-dollar bonus and significantly better wage 8 treatment? 9 "Mr. Giglio: Yes. 10 "Mr. Meyers: So we looked at the 11 significantly better wage treatment. 12 "Mr. Giglio: You have to look at the 13 ratification bonus. It is all an economic package. 14 "Mr. Meyers. Which is not benefits 15 bearing, which anyone who starts out -- 16 "Mr. Giglio: I didn't say it was 17 benefits bearing. It is an economic package. 18 "Mr. Meyers: Which is not benefits 19 bearing. It does not affect any of the wages going 20 forward, anyone hired -- 21 "Mr. Giglio: It affects your financial 22 situation immediately." 23 Moving forward to October 9, 2019. 24 This was a discussion on the newly changed New 25 Jersey Family Leave Insurance. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 19 1 "Ms. McClain: I think there have been 2 concerns around most of the proposal with 12 weeks. 3 It is far beyond anything that we have offered, you 4 know, in the Paid Parental Time Off. The reasons 5 are problematic, you know, tying it to a specific 6 law is problematic. 7 "You know, we have offered the one week 8 of Paid Parental Time Off. There is a lump sum 9 ratification bonus that employees have if they sign, 10 you know, a contract that could be used towards time 11 off when they supplement. You know, if they chose 12 to use this benefit. We would rather that people 13 have ownership over how they use the New Jersey 14 state law and we think that a lot of options that 15 are available to them give them lots of flexibility 16 and we are more comfortable with that." 17 February 27, 2020. 18 "Ms. McClain: The Union requests that 19 the Company provide the economic impact dollar 20 amounts of the Company's contracting out proposal. 21 How much money will the Company save or not spend 22 for the flexibility that it is seeking? That was 23 our understanding of question. 24 "The Company response is that the 25 Company has not assigned a monetary value to its Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 20 1 contracting out proposal. Rather, this proposal 2 provides the Company with the flexibility needed to 3 run the business as part of a comprehensive package, 4 which includes the ratification bonus, the wage 5 increases, the one-week Parental Paid Time Off, as 6 well as increased meal allowances and shoe subsidy." 7 June 23, 2020. In response to the 8 Union wage proposal. 9 "MS. McClain: Okay. No changes, and 10 of course we continue to agree with the language 11 regarding Section XY, other programs, and the 12 memorandum of agreement and having a joint 13 discussion there. 14 "And then for U10. We continue to 15 agree that there should be a, you know, go-forward 16 agreement starting in 2020. You know, we would make 17 the increases retroactive to June 1, 2020. However, 18 the amounts, we reject the Union's recommendations 19 or proposal of 3.54 in the first in 2020, 3 in 2021, 20 and 3.5 in 2022. And the percentages of the 21 Company's original offer of 1 percent in 2019 to 22 2020, so that would start in 2020, 1.5 in 2021, 2 in 23 2022, and 2.5 in 2023 would be the offer that is on 24 the table. If the agreement is ratified by the 25 Union, the 2,500-dollar benefits-bearing payment Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 21 1 will be paid, and the bonus would be paid to all 2 active employees that are -- as of June 1, 2021. So 3 we would agree with that. 4 "There is some discussion to correct 5 the record about your comment saying it was benefits 6 bearing. So I will skip ahead when you reread the 7 proposal. 8 "Ms. McClain: Non-benefits bearing. 9 Thanks for clarifying. I can read that sentence 10 again, since I messed it up so bad, if you need me 11 to. 12 "If the agreement is ratified by the 13 Union, a 2500-dollar non-benefits-bearing payment, 14 bonus will be paid to all active employees as of 15 June 1, 2020." 16 The first time you change the Company's 17 rhetoric on the ratification bonus and broke it out 18 from the rest of wages was on April 28, 2021. 19 Every other time the ratification bonus 20 is mentioned, it is part of the economic offer. You 21 yourself even used it to justify that people could 22 use it to supplement their one week of Paid Parental 23 Time Off. 24 So explain to me again how the 25 ratification bonus is an entirely separate and Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 22 1 standalone item. 2 MS. McCLAIN: So I think this is a 3 matter of perspective and context, because I don't 4 see any difference between what we have said and 5 what we are saying now regarding the ratification 6 bonus. The ratification bonus that is on the table 7 is part of our comprehensive offer. It is part of 8 our economic offer. It is on the table and it has 9 been on the table. 10 What I have said, what Russ Giglio had 11 said, you know, not being in the room, but hearing 12 what you said in the -- from the transcripts, but my 13 comments gave options of what folks could use it 14 for, whatever purpose they wanted to use it for. 15 However, as you read, from those statements, I still 16 said it was a ratification bonus. I never called it 17 anything different. It has always been, like I 18 said, part of our comprehensive offer. It has 19 always been separate. 20 My attempts are to give perspective on 21 whatever purpose they want to use it -- you know, 22 you want to use it for, and "they" being the 23 employees want to use it for if they accept it, was 24 just that, examples. So I actually don't see 25 anything different than what we have said and Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 23 1 maintained and what you just read. 2 MR. FREDRIKSEN: We have offered the 3 one week of Paid Parental Time Off. There is a lump 4 sum ratification bonus that employees have if they 5 sign the contract that could be used towards time 6 off when they supplement. So what are we supposed 7 to use towards time off at this point that makes you 8 think that the New Jersey Family Leave Insurance is 9 being covered by the rest of the offer? You used 10 the ratification bonus to show that the Company's 11 offer was covering that program. 12 MS. McCLAIN: And that was an example 13 of what you could do with the lump sum, should you 14 choose to accept it. It is still on the table, 15 should you choose to accept it. 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: So when the 17 ratification bonus is gone, what are you going to 18 use to rebalance the Company's wage offer? 19 MS. McCLAIN: Again, we will take a 20 look of our options, you know, our wage offer could 21 stay the same, it could go up, it could go down, but 22 right now this is the offer that is on the table 23 with respect to the ratification being still on the 24 table. 25 MR. FREDRIKSEN: We are going to Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 24 1 caucus. We are going to take a lunch break and let 2 you know when we were ready. 3 MR. RAGOMO: Don't forget we still had 4 something outstanding regarding some of the stuff we 5 asked for last time. Didn't we? 6 MS. McCLAIN: The information requests, 7 sorry, yeah, we got into this. We are still working 8 on some of the information requests, you can imagine 9 what you asked for takes some time to compile. So 10 we are working on those items. 11 MR. RAGOMO: Okay. And I am assuming, 12 JeffeLee, also that the Company still does want to 13 recognize Juneteenth as an 11th holiday? 14 MS. McCLAIN: Right now the Company 15 offer is still that we are happy to recognize 16 Juneteenth if the Union decides to, you know, take 17 one of the existing ten and move it or take one of 18 the floating holidays and fix it to Juneteenth. We 19 are happy to do that. 20 MR. FREDRIKSEN: How is that going to 21 work if the rest of the Company gets the Friday 22 after Thanksgiving off? 23 MS. McCLAIN: So just like how our 24 contract, the rest of the Company gets the Friday or 25 the floating the holiday for Thanksgiving -- I am Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 25 1 sorry, for Christmas. They get the floating holiday 2 for Christmas. We do not. Our contract already has 3 that flexibility in it that the Union elected and, 4 you know, we get the third floater. 5 So just like that, our folks, if that 6 is what you so choose, and again that was just an 7 option. You asked me what -- I am not saying that 8 you give up Thanksgiving, you can choose to do what 9 you want to do. But let's go ahead, since you are 10 using that example, the Friday after Thanksgiving 11 would be a normal workday and Juneteenth would be a 12 holiday. 13 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Are supervisors going 14 to be on-site? 15 MS. McCLAIN: I am sorry? 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Are supervisors going 17 to be on-site? 18 MS. McCLAIN: It would be just like the 19 day after, or the floating holiday for Christmas, 20 right. If it is a workday, it is a workday for 21 everybody. There are folks who come in, you know, 22 who don't observe the floating holiday for 23 Christmas, and they come in or they take vacation, 24 but the expectation would be that it is a workday. 25 MR. FREDRIKSEN: The expectation would Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 26 1 be that it is a workday. Are you saying that if the 2 Union elected to switch out that day and have it not 3 be a holiday -- 4 MS. McCLAIN: It is a workday. 5 MR. FREDRIKSEN: -- that the rest of 6 the Company would have to observe that change as 7 well, and the supervisors would come into work; is 8 that what you said? 9 MS. McCLAIN: The rest of the 10 Company -- 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: EMRE -- 12 MS. McCLAIN: -- outside of Clinton. 13 MR. FREDRIKSEN: No, not outside of 14 Clinton. Just Clinton. 15 MS. McCLAIN: So at Clinton, you know, 16 we have -- typically had local -- I mean, of course 17 you are not bargaining for the supervisors. I am 18 just going off of how we have done it for the 19 Christmas floater, which is the same for everybody 20 at the site. 21 MS. McCLAIN: Right, this would not be 22 the same for everybody at the site. So I am asking 23 how you plan on administering this. If this was 24 something that we did, what would happen -- 25 MR. RAGOMO: What are the Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 27 1 repercussions? 2 MR. FREDRIKSEN: What would that mean? 3 Yes, what would be the repercussions for the 4 bargaining unit, other than the change in day? So 5 are you saying that we would have no supervision on 6 that Friday, that SEG would not be on-site, security 7 would not be on-site? Who would be onsite? 8 MS. McCLAIN: No. No, I am not saying 9 anything like that. I mean, we are talking about, 10 you know, options right now. Of course we would 11 have to discuss and, you know, make sure that we 12 have whatever site operations is necessary to ensure 13 that our employees are working safety. So we can 14 work out those details. But is this something -- 15 this is an option that we were giving to the Union. 16 But we would never have folks, you know, work 17 unsafely. 18 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I am just asking 19 questions. We are not saying that we are taking 20 that offer. I need to understand that the Company 21 has fully considered the ramifications of that offer 22 in terms of site operation and safety of the 23 membership. 24 MS. McCLAIN: Right. And we would work 25 those things out and decide, you know, specifically Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 28 1 how to administrator and, you know, the timekeeping. 2 But most importantly, when we have folks who are 3 on-site and working and making sure that they are 4 working safely, I don't think that we would ever 5 operate the site in that manner that you are 6 suggesting. 7 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. Do you have any 8 other follow-ups, Steve? 9 MR. RAGOMO: No, not right at this 10 time. 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: All right, let's take 12 a break, lunch and caucus. 13 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 14 (Remote negotiations recessed at 12:15 15 p.m. and resumed at 2:50 p.m.) 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Thanks for getting 17 back together with us. 18 Before I show you what we have, I have 19 some questions. Last time we talked about 20 outsourcing and you guys confirmed the assessment 21 that zero tests had been outsourced in 2020 as of 22 last year. But -- like we did some talking amongst 23 ourselves and that can't be right because testing is 24 outsourced -- testing is sent off-site, like all the 25 time, like in a lot of different groups. Right? Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 29 1 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 2 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I mean, Yuk, do you 3 want to discuss what you maybe meant or qualify your 4 statement? 5 MS. LOUIE: You asked: What percentage 6 of the sample reduction was due to outsourcing? 7 MS. McCLAIN: And because of COVID-19, 8 was what I thought it was. 9 MS. LOUIE: Right, we said -- 10 MS. McCLAIN: I thought that is what 11 she answered. 12 MS. LOUIE: I said it is -- a reduction 13 was due to reduction in demand, and that is why you 14 saw the number, reduced number of pilot unit runs 15 and numbers of ITRs, ETCs, and analyticals. 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. That was the 17 scope of your answer. I think that is reasonable. 18 So I have a counterproposal for you. 19 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 20 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Thank you for 21 providing us the reflected updated Graphics. And 22 now every time I save it, it doesn't ask me if I 23 want to include any annotations. So thank you for 24 releasing me from that. 25 MS. McCLAIN: I didn't know it was Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 30 1 happening. So sorry. 2 MR. FREDRIKSEN: That is okay. Because 3 I had crossed out the other things with like a pen, 4 so I guess Word doesn't like it when you save those 5 things. 6 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 7 MR. FREDRIKSEN: It is on its way, and 8 I will share my screen. I know the suspense is 9 killing you. 10 MS. McCLAIN: It just got here. 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Do you guys see it? 12 MS. McCLAIN: Yes. 13 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. Thank you for 14 this stuff; I incorporated it into our counter. No 15 change on the first page. Big change on Page 2 from 16 our counterproposal. This is the first time we have 17 made any inclination to address this language. The 18 Company came out of the gate, when you responded to 19 our counterproposal I think both times, saying you 20 needed this, so we heard you. 21 We tried to come up with something that 22 works for the Union. We think it still allows the 23 Company to have the flexibility it needs and always 24 had in terms of outsourcing. So this reflects how 25 we believe outsourcing has been administered to this Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 31 1 time and what we want memorialize in the contract 2 with the Company. 3 So I will read it without the 4 stricken-out portions because it is distracting. 5 "The Company has the right to have work 6 performed off-site by third parties. If work 7 customarily performed by bargaining unit employees 8 is outsourced in this manner, it shall not be used 9 under any circumstances to create a surplus of 10 employees, thereby leading to a reduction of hours, 11 layoffs, demotion or backdown of existing employees 12 that are qualified to perform such work. 13 "In the event the equipment required to 14 perform such work is no longer available, the 15 employee may be reassigned to any position they are 16 qualified for and shall suffer no loss of pay. 17 "Contractors occupying any position for 18 which the employee is qualified for will be removed 19 if no other position is available. The Company may 20 not outsource work to erode the bargaining unit or 21 to otherwise restrict or limit its growth." 22 This is the only change to your 23 counterproposal from last time. 24 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 25 MR. FREDRIKSEN: We view this as an Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 32 1 extremely big change, even addressing that language 2 because the Company has provided zero justifications 3 for including it in our counterproposals since the 4 impasse was declared. That is it. 5 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. I was just 6 rereading because a question came into my mind and 7 then -- I was rereading to see if I was able to 8 answer my own question. 9 So one question that I had, in the 10 middle of the paragraph where you have, "In the 11 event the equipment required to perform such work is 12 no longer available, the employee may be reassigned 13 to any position they are qualified for and suffer no 14 loss of pay," is that to perpetuity or while they 15 are in that new job or -- 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: This is exactly what 17 happened with Graphics Design. Correct me if I am 18 wrong. So the equipment was gone and we had an 19 agreement that the employees would be moved to, I 20 believe it was Info Techs, and they were 21 red-circled. 22 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. I just wanted to 23 clarify what the case was. 24 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Right. So you can 25 red-circle them. That is already in the contract. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 33 1 That satisfies that requirement, which means they 2 wouldn't have -- they wouldn't lose any pay -- 3 MS. McCLAIN: The entire -- right. But 4 the entire "Maintenance of Pay" section, you are 5 just saying it is the red-circling piece that would 6 apply here, not the -- 7 MR. FREDRIKSEN: As long as they suffer 8 no loss of pay, which is what the proposal says, 9 which I think red-circling is that. That is the 10 red-circled clause. Everything else is like a 11 gradual reduction to a different pay scale, et 12 cetera, et cetera. 13 MS. McCLAIN: Right. 14 MS. LOUIE: Just to make sure I 15 understand. Sorry. So you are saying that -- your 16 proposal is suffer no loss in pay. So it precludes 17 us from doing a backdown in different 18 classifications or work area. 19 MR. FREDRIKSEN: If you are backing 20 down the employee because you want to outsource 21 their jobs, you are already in violation of the 22 proposal, because you cannot use it to lead to -- to 23 create a surplus of employees that will lead to a 24 backdown. 25 MS. LOUIE: But you said in the second Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 34 1 one, "In the event the equipment required to perform 2 the work is no longer available." 3 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. 4 MS. LOUIE: Not that we outsourced it, 5 but the equipment is no longer available. Right? I 6 didn't outsource the work. It is just that, you 7 know, the work is no longer available because we are 8 not doing that anymore, so I got rid of the 9 equipment. Can I backdown the individual to some 10 other position? 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes, this isn't 12 addressing all surplus of employees. 13 MS. LOUIE: Okay. So that other 14 surplus language in the contract is still available 15 to us? 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: That is not being 17 precluded by this. This is specifically limited to 18 what you do in the event that you want to outsource 19 the position. There is other language in the 20 contract that deals with that stuff. This is not 21 overriding that. 22 MS. LOUIE: Just as long as we are 23 clear on that. 24 MS. McCLAIN: Yes, that is where I was 25 going, is where my confusion was as well, but -- Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 35 1 okay. 2 MS. LOUIE: I guess the language about, 3 "Contractors occupying any position for which the 4 employee is qualified for will be removed," isn't 5 there already language in that around the backdown, 6 that we would backdown or back out contractors 7 somewhere? 8 MR. FREDRIKSEN: It is in Article 9 XVIII, but this is -- I wanted to re-include it in 10 this proposal because this is a contracting out 11 proposal that now has outsourcing in it, which is 12 another form of contracting out which, there is no 13 language in the contract about that. So I just 14 wanted to make it totally clear what happens if the 15 Company wants to outsource somebody's job. 16 So there is language like that in 17 Article XVIII, but that is for when you want to 18 bring in a contractor on-site, right? So I just 19 want to make sure that this is clear for when this 20 scenario happens. 21 MS. LOUIE: Okay. 22 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 23 MS. LOUIE: Thank you. 24 MS. McCLAIN: I think we will have to 25 caucus some, just to soak on this one. And as you Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 36 1 can see, we had some questions here to talk amongst 2 ourselves. 3 MR. FREDRIKSEN: The intent of the 4 proposal I think is clear, right? So the Company 5 has said that you don't intend to use outsourcing in 6 any of these manners described here. But I have 7 repeatedly told you that your intentions and what 8 you want to have in the contract are two different 9 things. 10 So this is a go-forward agreement that 11 doesn't reflect JeffeLee's statement of intentions, 12 but rather exactly how this would be handled in the 13 future. So it provides clarity for anybody who is 14 reading the proposal. You guys love clarity. 15 MS. McCLAIN: Yep. However, just to 16 ask, you know, this still would say that outsourcing 17 of work to a third-party would not create a surplus, 18 you know, and leading to reduction of hours or 19 layoff or demotion or backdown, right, of existing 20 employees. 21 And so what happens when there isn't 22 work for those folks to do? There are no 23 contractors in positions. What happens to those 24 folks? 25 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Then you can't Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 37 1 outsource their work. 2 MS. McCLAIN: Right. And so here, 3 where the Union's proposal is determining, or is 4 asking the Company to make decisions about the 5 business -- okay, I understand your intent. 6 All right. We will caucus. 7 MR. FREDRIKSEN: No, I don't like the 8 way you just represented the proposal, JeffeLee. 9 This is not telling the Company how to run its 10 business. This is telling the Company how to treat 11 its employees fairly and how to protect their jobs 12 in the event that you come across a passing fancy to 13 outsource a bunch of somebody's work. 14 So I take great exception with the way 15 you just characterized this proposal. This is not a 16 proposal to tell the Company how to run its 17 business. This is a proposal to make sure that the 18 Company doesn't outsource someone's work and fire 19 them. And if there are contractors on-site that are 20 doing work that they can do, you have to get rid of 21 the contractor. And if you can't do any of those 22 things to protect somebody's job, then you can't 23 outsource their work. It is very simple. 24 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. Like I said, there 25 are questions, I am sure that my team and I need to Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 38 1 discuss further, but that is -- I understand what 2 you are saying. I was simply telling you what it 3 read like to me. 4 MS. LOUIE: Can I also ask another 5 question before we go? 6 MS. McCLAIN: Sure. 7 MS. LOUIE: So in the first sentence, 8 you said, "The Company has right to have work 9 performed off-site by a third-party," but you 10 crossed out the word "any." Is there any reason why 11 you crossed out the word "any"? 12 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I crossed out the word 13 "any" because the first sentence was basically a 14 synopsis for the rest of the proposal. So I believe 15 that the Company does overall, in general, have the 16 right to have work performed off-site by 17 third-parties. I do not believe that you have the 18 unilateral, without limitation, right to have any 19 work performed off-site by third-parties. 20 MS. LOUIE: No. I understand your 21 first part of that sentence that you crossed out. I 22 am just saying, I took it for the Company has the 23 right to have work performed off-site by 24 third-party, would it make any different if the 25 sentence read, "The Company has the right to have Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 39 1 any work performed off-site by a third-party"? 2 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I believe it would. I 3 crossed it out for the same reason that I crossed 4 our "without limitation." 5 MS. LOUIE: But is it the intent that 6 we can consider outsourcing any specific work for 7 third-party? 8 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Hey, if you want to 9 outsource an MTS's work, I have nothing to do with 10 that. So I made this very general. So you have to 11 right to have work outsourced, and this tells you 12 what you do. This tells you, you can -- 13 MS. LOUIE: But I think what you just 14 said is it is okay to have the word "any" in that 15 sentence. 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: This is the Union's 17 proposal. I removed "any" because I believe it was 18 too broad. 19 MS. LOUIE: Okay. Thank you. 20 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. Anything else, 21 team, right now before we discuss more? 22 MR. BRYANT: Nothing else. 23 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. So let's caucus so 24 that we can talk about this one. And I will text 25 you, Tom and Steve. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 40 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. Thank you. 2 (Remote negotiations recessed at 3:08 3 p.m. and resumed at 3:56 p.m.) 4 MS. McCLAIN: I know we have gone a 5 couple different directions today with your proposal 6 and we want to take some additional time to review. 7 I wanted to be respectful of your time. I know that 8 there are a couple of hard ends, back ends that 9 couldn't be rescheduled after this, but we do have a 10 couple of questions. I do have a couple more 11 questions. 12 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 13 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. So in looking at 14 your proposal, C2 proposal, we just wanted to make 15 sure. Which job families are we talking about here? 16 When we are talking about the work customarily 17 performed by a bargaining unit employee is 18 outsourced in this manner, we are talking about all 19 of the positions? All of the job families including 20 those that -- 21 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. 22 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. I just wanted to 23 double-check. 24 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Wait, I have a 25 follow-up question. What did you mean? Did you Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 41 1 only mean a subset? 2 MS. McCLAIN: No, we meant -- in ours 3 we meant everyone. We just wanted make sure that 4 that was the, you know, same understanding or if you 5 were limiting it further to, you know, just the 6 Research Techs or the ones that are on-site 7 currently where we are maintaining equipment and 8 things like that. But you answered the question. 9 The other question that we had is, you 10 know, when we looked -- when I -- when we have 11 talked, and when I look at the contract in Article 12 XVIII and here, you know, the Company isn't required 13 to maintain a particular number of employees in the 14 bargaining unit. 15 MR. FREDRIKSEN: That is correct. 16 MS. McCLAIN: How does this proposal 17 work with that? 18 MR. FREDRIKSEN: How does it preclude 19 that? 20 MS. McCLAIN: When, you know, we are 21 saying that there is a lack of work or we have 22 decided, you know, that there is work to offshore 23 that we are now required to maintain a level of, you 24 know, of bargaining unit members. 25 MR. FREDRIKSEN: JeffeLee, as far as I Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 42 1 am concerned, you deciding to off-site work is not 2 different in this circumstance than you deciding to 3 bring in a contractor instead of an employee. 4 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 5 MR. FREDRIKSEN: This is not telling 6 you that you have to have a minimum number of 7 employees to do anything. But if you want to have 8 work done, if you want to have tests run and you 9 have the equipment to do it and you have the people 10 to do it, you should do it here. You should do it 11 with the people you already have. You should remain 12 invested in your people. 13 MS. McCLAIN: Thank you for the 14 response. I think we understand. 15 And then the other one was, in the 16 language that you have where in the -- I think it is 17 the third sentence that reads, "In the event the 18 equipment required to perform such work is no longer 19 available, the employee may be reassigned to any 20 position they are qualified for and suffer no loss, 21 and contractors applying in any position for which 22 the employee is qualified for will be removed if no 23 other position is available." 24 Who determines whether or not the 25 employee is qualified? Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 43 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: So qualified is in the 2 contract, so I think it is Article VIII. Give me a 3 second. I am going to pull it up and read it. 4 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. I just wanted to 5 make sure that we are on the same page. 6 MR. FREDRIKSEN: It is okay. I have 7 read this contract many more times than you 8 probably. 9 Article 12. I was way off. 10 MR. RAGOMO: Not too bad. You just 11 don't know your V from your X, that is all. 12 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Job description sheet. 13 "The Company has prepared a job description sheet 14 for each job covered by this agreement, including in 15 broad and general terms, the dues and 16 responsibilities expected to be performed by the 17 employee assigned to it and the qualifications 18 required. A copy of each such job description sheet 19 has been given to the Union." 20 Is that good? So the qualifications 21 are in the job description. But that is not to say 22 that if you had somebody who wasn't forklift trained 23 that you can't just train somebody to do it. 24 Qualifications are like before they get the job. 25 Does that make sense? Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 44 1 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. And so that would 2 be different, not wholly different, but somewhat 3 different than the "Backdowns" section; is that 4 right? Where it says that the Company, you know, 5 determines qualifications, if I am -- 6 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Not different. The 7 qualifications are in the job description. 8 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 9 MR. FREDRIKSEN: The Company can change 10 the job description. 11 MS. McCLAIN: I am just pulling up my 12 copy of the contract. 13 MR. FREDRIKSEN: "Work qualification" 14 has a specific meaning in our contract. 15 MS. McCLAIN: Yes. 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: And it all comes to 17 the job descriptions. So in the "Backdowns" and 18 "Layoff" sections it is the same way. It is the 19 same thing that it is referring to. 20 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 21 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Is that clear? 22 MS. McCLAIN: So we would follow the 23 same on the qualifications. And then all the rules 24 regarding, you know, what happens, if there is two 25 or more employees, right, we would follow the least Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 45 1 credited employee or would we fall all of those 2 rules you are saying would apply? 3 MR. FREDRIKSEN: You are saying 4 specifically in the event of a backdown. So, again, 5 it says that you can't use this to create a surplus 6 to initiate a backdown. So I don't think your 7 question is relevant. 8 MR. RAGOMO: Not at all. 9 MS. McCLAIN: I was looking at the 10 piece where there is -- you know, you are backing 11 out a contractor and you are selecting an employee 12 to move into that contractor role. 13 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yeah, no one is being 14 backed down, you are just cutting the contractor 15 list. 16 MS. McCLAIN: If there is more than one 17 employee impacted. 18 MR. RAGOMO: Then two contractors go. 19 MS. McCLAIN: Right. But if there 20 aren't two contractors to go, then you are saying -- 21 my question was like which people employee do you 22 pick? Or do you to go into the existing role -- 23 like do we follow all the normal -- 24 MR. RAGOMO: What would -- 25 MS. McCLAIN: -- contract provisions? Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 46 1 There. 2 MR. RAGOMO: What would your position 3 be? 4 MS. McCLAIN: Our position would be 5 that, you know, you would follow the provisions of 6 selection in that case of backdowns, right, or of 7 transfers or -- 8 MR. FREDRIKSEN: No, no, no, no, no, 9 no. 10 MR. RAGOMO: That is not -- 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: No. You can't create 12 a surplus. If you are saying the scenario exists 13 where you have two employees and you only want one, 14 you just created a surplus. 15 MR. RAGOMO: Correct. 16 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. But what I am 17 saying is, let's say there are two employees. How 18 do you select which employee it is? Because let's 19 say that would go into the one contractor role. Do 20 you see what I am saying? 21 MR. FREDRIKSEN: If you want to put two 22 employees in that role, you can do that. If you 23 want -- what you can't do is lay somebody off. So 24 what do you -- 25 MS. McCLAIN: I am not talking about -- Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 47 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: What is your problem? 2 MS. McCLAIN: I am not talking about 3 layoff -- 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: JeffeLee, what in your 5 scenario do you think would happen to the person 6 with the least credited service? 7 MS. McCLAIN: Right, that they would be 8 the one selected to move, that we would follow the 9 same kind of terms in the contract -- I am just 10 trying to clarify if that is what you are asking or 11 if you are asking something totally different, 12 because you are asking something totally different 13 in this clause, you know, than the "Maintenance of 14 Pay" clause or the "Transfer" clause. 15 You are asking for something different 16 here, and so I am trying to get clarity if the 17 Company has the right to make that determination, if 18 there is something new that you are expecting, or if 19 we are following the terms of the contract when it 20 comes to when there is a vacancy and -- right, 21 somebody's work is -- you know from -- it is right 22 now in the "Backdown" clause, but in this scenario 23 where we have used it as the Company, we have backed 24 out a contractor, the person that we would select if 25 we had more than two employees, we would follow Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 48 1 seniority rules -- 2 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Right. 3 MS. McCLAIN: -- in the contract. And 4 I am asking, simply, are we to do that or are we not 5 to do that or are we supposed to -- 6 MR. FREDRIKSEN: But that is like, you 7 are still putting them in a -- so, yes, yes. 8 Because you are just determining what that process 9 -- where to put them. The bottom line is, you can't 10 lay them off and you can -- you can use that so -- I 11 am reading it now, and it is demotions and 12 backdowns, that is what you are asking about, right? 13 MS. McCLAIN: Right. 14 MR. FREDRIKSEN: "When it is determined 15 that a surplus" -- putting this in quotes -- "exists 16 in a job family on the promotional chart, the 17 Company will realign the job family as to place in a 18 surplus position the employee in that job family 19 with the least credited service." 20 MS. McCLAIN: Right. 21 MR. FREDRIKSEN: "The surplus employee 22 or employees will be backed down to the next lower 23 job families. If such a move creates a surplus in 24 that job family, the Company will realign the jobs 25 in the job family so as to place in a surplus Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 49 1 position the employee or employees in that 2 classification with the least credited services." 3 So the bottom line is that the end -- 4 the problem with your line of questioning is that at 5 the end of the line there, in this circumstance for 6 demotion, backdown, and layoff, is that the last 7 person gets laid off. You have too many people. 8 Because then it creates a surplus of employees at 9 the lowest level. Right? 10 MS. McCLAIN: Uh-huh. 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: So this says you can't 12 do that. You can put them where you want, as long 13 as they are qualified. You can't lay someone off. 14 MS. LOUIE: But, Tom, in your sentence 15 here, the next sentence, it says, "In the event the 16 equipment required to perform such work is no longer 17 available, the employee may be reassigned." It 18 doesn't say it has to be a surplus. Maybe that is 19 the piece that causes some confusion on our part. 20 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I mean, I think the 21 thing that is probably the failure to communicate 22 here is that you guys have your, like, super strict 23 and arbitrary head count rules that you guys haven't 24 been super straightforward with us from the 25 beginning about anyway. But we don't write the Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 50 1 contract to account for your head count rules 2 because you guys can determine your level of 3 staffing. 4 So, like, I am not able to connect with 5 that problem because I can't tell you what to make 6 your numbers. You can do that. So all I can tell 7 you is that if you need to make something work, and 8 the bottom of that -- and the end result of that 9 saying is that a person gets laid off because you 10 outsourced the work, then you can't do that. 11 So you do, like, whatever you want in 12 between there. You can move somebody over there if 13 you want. And I know what you are saying about the 14 equipment, I understand that. But like, why are you 15 complicating this so much? This happened already. 16 We did this with Graphics Design. This is exactly 17 the deal that happened. You know, you just 18 reassigned them. 19 MS. McCLAIN: I just wanted to make 20 sure that we are on the same page and that we 21 understand where you are coming from. 22 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. 23 MS. McCLAIN: Since, you know, there 24 is, like I said, for -- in other cases we have 25 backed down folks in maintenance of pay and used the Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 51 1 maintenance of pay language. So we have done it. 2 We have used the full suite of the contract in 3 different scenarios where it applied. 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Right. 5 MS. McCLAIN: So we see and hear what 6 the Union is saying in this particular circumstance, 7 it is only -- the full sweet of maintenance of pay 8 is not there. You are proposing it is only that 9 they are -- you know, suffer no loss of pay. 10 MR. FREDRIKSEN: If there is a specific 11 problem with the "no loss of pay" section, what do 12 you propose to remedy that? 13 MS. McCLAIN: And again, you know, 14 these are questions that are helping us to 15 understand what you are saying so that we can, you 16 know, complete our review. We still have to talk 17 about it. You know, for this -- for us, the 18 language -- we haven't, you know, made any proposals 19 around changing them, the maintenance of pay 20 language or anything like that. 21 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I thought this was a 22 standalone proposal that you had special language 23 that had nothing to do with the rest of the 24 contract? An arbitrator can't even look at this 25 stuff. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 52 1 MS. McCLAIN: No. This is -- this is 2 -- and so this maybe something good to clarify, 3 right. This is on the use of contractors. It does 4 not eliminate the maintenance of pay or what happens 5 to employees, you know, in those other areas of the 6 contract. This is just how we use contractors. Not 7 what happens to employee when we utilize contractors 8 or if there is other changes. We are not making any 9 proposals about changing that language or anything 10 like that. 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I actually disagree 12 because I don't think it is any different. You are 13 saying intrinsically the contracting is different 14 from outsourcing, that is where we are going to have 15 to beg to differ. Because in either circumstance 16 you are just escaping your obligation to hire a 17 bargaining unit employee. Right? 18 MS. McCLAIN: I disagree. 19 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. I don't 20 remember the last time I said something that you 21 didn't respond that way, but that is fine. 22 MR. RAGOMO: Yeah. 23 MS. McCLAIN: I disagree that it is 24 escaping our ability to hire. 25 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I said "obligation" Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 53 1 actually. 2 MS. McCLAIN: Obligation or obligation 3 to hire, I disagree with that. But, you know, it is 4 giving the Company the flexibility to determine 5 where the work gets done. 6 MR. FREDRIKSEN: That is why we are 7 here, JeffeLee. We could have just proposed nothing 8 and then you can't do it at all. 9 Like, why -- look, bottom line is, I 10 understand that you have questions about specific 11 scenarios, but I don't think those scenarios are 12 relevant because at the end of the line for those 13 scenarios, the end of the line for a normal scenario 14 with the rest of the contract, JeffeLee, is that you 15 lay someone off. Right? The end of the line for 16 this doesn't exist. There is no layoff. 17 MS. McCLAIN: No, not -- not always, 18 right, and that is what we have been saying, is not 19 always. There are things that we do, just like in 20 Graphics Design, where the work contracted and we 21 had two people, right, we are able to select. 22 My question was, do you select the 23 person with the least seniority? Do we follow that 24 language? That was my question. Your answer is 25 yes, right? It doesn't necessarily have to result Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 54 1 in a layoff if we have a way to maintain the 2 employee's employment. So for us that has been -- 3 that is why I say it has been, you know, how we have 4 operated. And in some cases we have backed people 5 down. But that was the basis of my question, was 6 just asking, are you changing the way we are to look 7 at this, simply. 8 MR. FREDRIKSEN: No. The intent of 9 this proposal is not to change the way the rest of 10 the contract is administered in normal 11 circumstances. This is a clearly defined 12 circumstance which limits it. It limits it to when 13 -- when you have -- the problem is, JeffeLee, and we 14 have talked about this for so long, is that if the 15 Company has work that they do on-site and they have 16 the equipment to do it, and they just want to save 17 money by sending it off-site, you can't do that if 18 it results in a layoff. Right? That is what this 19 says. 20 If you don't have the equipment 21 on-site -- so like, this isn't meant to create a 22 loop hole where you can just sell the equipment then 23 just demote everybody. That is not the intent, 24 because I don't think that would be productive for 25 the Company. But there have been times where like Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 55 1 tests have been mothballed and equipment has been 2 temporarily put away or set aside. 3 MS. McCLAIN: Or permanently. I mean, 4 we have decommissioned equipment. 5 MR. FREDRIKSEN: You permanently 6 decommissioned equipment? 7 MS. McCLAIN: Right? 8 MR. RAGOMO: Not all the time. 9 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I don't know that -- 10 MS. McCLAIN: But I am saying you can. 11 You can. We can decommission and totally take it 12 down and extract units and, you know, junk them. 13 MR. FREDRIKSEN: And keep it in place? 14 Right, you junk them. 15 MS. McCLAIN: Or sometimes we leave it 16 in place and just totally, you know, mothball and we 17 don't need it, we don't use it anymore. There is no 18 purpose for it, but there is no reason pull it out. 19 Maybe we don't want to invest, at this point, in 20 taking out the equipment. There is quite a bit that 21 we can do. 22 MR. RAGOMO: And there are -- right, 23 and that is happening where you are taking equipment 24 out of mothball and you are bringing it back online. 25 There is. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 56 1 MS. McCLAIN: No, I am just saying that 2 sometimes we decide to do that, yes. But to answer 3 Tom's question, there are times when the Company 4 would want the flexibility to make those decisions 5 as to -- if we see no need to, you know, have and 6 run certain tests, we will mothball equipment. We 7 can remove equipment if we want or we can keep the 8 equipment but not use it because we don't want to 9 have EMPS or PPLE focus on that, we want them to 10 focus on something else. 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yeah, but if we 12 mothball -- 13 MS. LOUIE: We have example, like the 14 TRSU, the MTX unit, the Cavitation Unit, the 15 Asphalting Unit. 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Do any of those get -- 17 MS. LOUIE: There are units that we 18 don't take out and are no longer on-site. We just 19 decommissioned them. 20 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I understand, but do 21 you then offer us that work? Like this is what this 22 is about, right. If you keep the equipment on-site 23 and then you outsource the work, then it is -- 24 MS. McCLAIN: I am sorry, what were you 25 saying, Tom? I didn't hear your last piece. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 57 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I am asking, in those 2 examples, do you send that work off-site? 3 MS. LOUIE: In some cases, yes. 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: What happens to the 5 employee? 6 MS. McCLAIN: It would depend. 7 MS. LOUIE: We reassign them right now. 8 MR. FREDRIKSEN: So what is the 9 problem? 10 MS. LOUIE: That is our decision. We 11 are just trying to understand how you operationalize 12 something like this, as to what you are thinking. 13 That is all. I mean, we are just trying to 14 communicate and try to understand each other's 15 perspective. 16 MR. FERRO: I don't think anyone would 17 disagree with the rights that you are asserting as 18 the Company to mothball or not any units and 19 reassign technicians. All we are doing is saying 20 that if you do it and you outsource the work 21 simultaneously as a part of that decision, you can't 22 let people go or have that. We are not trying to 23 dictate how the Company runs their busy, really. I 24 think as Tom said before, this is more about the 25 employees than it is about the work. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 58 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. 2 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. I apologize for 3 those who had a back end, I know we are going over. 4 MS. LOUIE: Yeah, I have to be running 5 soon. 6 MS. McCLAIN: It is good for us to 7 understand where you guys are coming from. 8 MR. FREDRIKSEN: JeffeLee, do you have 9 a hard back end? 10 MS. McCLAIN: I do. I had tried to 11 reschedule and I have not been able to reschedule 12 that at this time. 13 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I am proposing we have 14 a sidebar to hash this out. If you guys aren't 15 there, I want to get you there. I want to get this 16 right. And if you don't think it is right, then we 17 need to get it right together. So, like, if you 18 have time tonight, let's do it. If you don't have 19 time tonight, let's do it tomorrow. 20 MS. McCLAIN: And again, we can e-mail 21 and call and can talk offline. We don't have to 22 wait until next week, as you said. 23 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yeah, in my 24 experience, that doesn't happen. We send in 25 information requests and then we don't hear back Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 59 1 from you until the day of bargaining and then you 2 give us the answers. 3 MS. McCLAIN: Not necessarily. 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: It would be easier if 5 we just have a meeting and just talk it out, I 6 think. 7 MS. McCLAIN: So we will get back and 8 let you know. I will take a look at my calendar and 9 we can have a sidebar, you know, if that is what we 10 want to do. 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. 12 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 13 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 14 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I want to make it 15 work. I want to make it work for you. I want to 16 make it work with you and I want to make it work for 17 what your need is. I want to make sure that the 18 employee is protected. And that the language is 19 something that you understand and feel comfortable 20 with. There is also, like, intent matters for this 21 stuff. Remember, like unions aren't robots. We are 22 not managed by learning AIs that file grievances and 23 information -- file grievances and unfair labor 24 practices the second something is not 100 percent 25 watertight. Right. But you also want to make sure Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 60 1 it is clear for the future, so I understand that. 2 MS. McCLAIN: Yep. All right. So we 3 will be in contact this week offline and we will see 4 you at 8:00 a.m. in the morning on the 30th. 5 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Sounds good. 6 MR. RAGOMO: Thank you. 7 MS. McCLAIN: All right. Thanks. 8 (Remote negotiations recessed at 9 4:22 p.m.) 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 61 1 2 CERTIFICATE 3 4 I, RITA GARDNER, Notary Public of the 5 State of New Jersey and a Certified Court Reporter, 6 do hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and 7 accurate transcript of the remote testimony as taken 8 stenographically by and before me at the time and on 9 the date hereinbefore set forth. 10 I DO FURTHER CERTIFY that I am neither a 11 relative nor employee nor attorney nor counsel of any 12 of the parties to this action, and that I am neither 13 a relative or employee of such attorney or counsel, 14 and that I am not financially interested in the 15 action. 16 17 18 Notary Public of the State of New Jersey 19 20 Dated: June 23, 2021 21 22 23 24 25 Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 1 1 [5] - 3:7, 20:17, 20:21, 21:2, 21:15 1.5 [1] - 20:22 1.65 [1] - 17:20 100 [2] - 5:7, 59:24 10:00 [2] - 1:5, 2:3 10:21 [1] - 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