1 1 2 EMRE - ILEU 3 4 Collective Bargaining Agreement Negotiations 5 Thursday, June 3, 2021 Commencing at 1:00 p.m. 6 7 HELD REMOTELY VIA ZOOM 8 --- Day 59 --- 9 P R E S E N T: 10 EXXONMOBIL RESEARCH AND ENGINEERING COMPANY: 11 JEFFELEE McCLAIN, CLINTON SITE HR MANAGER 12 JOSH BRYANT, CLINTON SITE LABOR ADVISOR YUK LOUIE, R&D OPERATIONS MANAGER 13 INDEPENDENT LABORATORY EMPLOYEES' UNION: 14 STEVEN RAGOMO, PRESIDENT 15 THOMAS FREDRIKSEN, VICE PRESIDENT ETHAN SEBASCO, SECRETARY 16 THOMAS FERRO, TREASURER DAVID LEBRON, ACT DELEGATE 17 MICHAEL MOLINA, PO&T DELEGATE MICHAEL STRASSER, CSR STEWARD 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 2 1 MS. McCLAIN: I think we had a couple 2 outstanding information requests that we wanted to 3 share today. 4 MR. BRYANT: Let me send those over. 5 Just give me one second. 6 MS. McCLAIN: What you are going to 7 get -- there are two documents and we provided -- 8 okay. So I will share, because I know some folks 9 find that helpful. The information request dated 10 June 3, it said it is regarding the Company response 11 to ILEU, informational request received May 21. 12 Let's start with that. 13 We had already provided verbal 14 responses at the last meeting to numbers two, three, 15 and four. 16 The outstanding item was number one 17 regarding: "What was the average years of 18 experience for all applicants to the Auto Mechanic 19 job families (Auto Mechanic, Senior Auto Mechanic, 20 'Advanced Auto Mechanic') that the Company has 21 reviewed in the last three years for the Clinton 22 site? Please provide the total average, as well, 23 the breakdown of experience for each individual and 24 for what position the Company considered them. 25 Note, that this should include only applicants the Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 3 1 Company has hired -- not only applicants the Company 2 has hired, but also those who have declined as 3 well." 4 Company Response: There were 17 5 applicants, but only six were qualified for the 6 position. The Company interviewed all six of these 7 candidates. The average experience for the 8 candidates was about four years. Based on the 9 information we have, the candidates, respectively, 10 had two years, three, seven years, two years, five 11 years, and three years of relevant experience. Four 12 of these candidates were offered positions and all 13 accepted. They were considered for the Auto Tech 14 positions. Okay? 15 MR. FREDRIKSEN: So this is not -- this 16 does not track with what you told us. You said that 17 -- 18 MS. McCLAIN: What do you mean? 19 MR. FREDRIKSEN: When I asked you, like 20 two weeks ago, whether the Company's intent was to 21 hire the lowest paying position, you responded that 22 it would be similar to Research Techs, where you 23 were going to focus on Advanced Automotive Tech, 24 which is the middle paying position. But all four 25 of these are for the lowest paying position. Do I Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 4 1 understand this right? 2 MS. McCLAIN: The four that were hired 3 were for the lower paid position, yes. 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. All right. You 5 can go on. 6 MS. McCLAIN: Would you like me to 7 elaborate or you want to just -- or you had a 8 question? 9 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yeah, you can respond 10 to what I said, but it was -- that is what you told 11 me. That is what you told us. 12 MS. McCLAIN: Yes, and we would. And 13 if you recall, what we have done is what we had done 14 when we hired was based on experience. We looked at 15 these experience, the four that were hired. And, 16 Josh, you can correct me if I am wrong, you know, 17 had -- was it the two years for each applicant, two, 18 three. One person had seven years, but we started 19 their progression -- started their progression later 20 commensurate with their service as we do with 21 Research Techs. 22 MR. FREDRIKSEN: But still as, like an 23 Auto Tech, like Year 2 or 3 or something. 24 MS. McCLAIN: Correct, Year 3. 25 MR. BRYANT: Yes, that is correct, Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 5 1 Jeffe. 2 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 3 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I mean, Advanced 5 Automotive Tech is five years, though, right? Why 6 didn't you hire them as an Advanced Automotive Tech? 7 MS. McCLAIN: Again, at the time of the 8 hire, if you recall, we based the recommendation 9 based on what we saw, you know, the need for the 10 role at that time, only one of them -- and, Josh, 11 you can correct me if I am wrong -- we can argue 12 about whether or not they were -- they should have 13 been Advanced Auto Tech Start or a Year 3 Auto Tech. 14 But our decision was to start Auto Tech -- I mean, 15 Year 3 Auto Tech for that person that had -- it was 16 the seven year. The others had two and three years. 17 MR. BRYANT: That is correct. 18 MR. FREDRIKSEN: That is unbelievable. 19 I really strongly advise against this for the 20 quality of the business. Like, a seven-year 21 experience employee being hired at the rate they are 22 being hired at, they are not going to stay here for 23 very long. It is unbelievably irresponsible. 24 MS. McCLAIN: However, the other three 25 were appropriately leveled, and the Auto Tech Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 6 1 position was appropriate there. 2 MR. FREDRIKSEN: There is only so much 3 I can do to prevent you from -- the Company from 4 running the business into the ground. There is only 5 so much I want to do. 6 MS. McCLAIN: The three people, out of 7 the four, that level was appropriate -- 8 MR. FREDRIKSEN: You determined those 9 levels arbitrarily. You haven't been able to 10 provide any external reason as to why you said they 11 need to have three years of experience to be hired 12 at like 27, 29, or whatever the starting Auto Tech 13 pay is going to be. There is nothing correlated 14 with that. It is not a competitive rate. 15 MS. McCLAIN: We believe that it is. 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: That is right. So you 17 can move on. 18 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. I was not going to 19 read in numbers 2, 3, and 4 since we already 20 provided those responses. Unless you would like me 21 to. 22 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Can you just go 23 through them? 24 MS. McCLAIN: Sure. Number 2: "What 25 would happen if the Union and the Company mutually Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 7 1 agreed to not renew the contracting outside letter? 2 For the purpose of clarity, please do not consider 3 hypothetical successorship agreements on the side 4 letter." 5 Company response: "The Company objects 6 to the extent this requires a legal conclusion based 7 on a hypothetical. However, without waiving this 8 objection, the Company would have the right to 9 utilize contractors consistent with the side letter 10 until a new agreement is in place. If for some 11 reason in the future, the Company agrees that C2 is 12 no longer needed and litigation regarding Arbitrator 13 Klein's award is unsettled, it is unclear. 14 "However, we believe we would have the 15 right to contract off-site, regardless of layoffs, 16 and we have the right to contract on-site in any way 17 unless it results in a layoff." 18 No. 3. "How many applicants has the 19 Company reviewed for the position of ET in the past 20 six months? How many positions is the Company 21 looking to fill for this role?" 22 Company response: "There have been 14 23 applicants in the last six months, but only seven of 24 these were qualified. We will bring three on-site 25 for interviews, as we are looking to fill one Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 8 1 position." 2 Number 4. "Who is the chief boiler 3 operator in the boiler room?" 4 Company Response: "Michael O'Rourke. 5 We understand that Mr. O'Rourke intends to retire in 6 the next few months. When he does, Rodney Colon is 7 the lead candidate, based on his qualifications to 8 be the chief." 9 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 10 MS. McCLAIN: We move to the next -- 11 the next one that reads June 3, 2021 regarding the 12 Company response to ILEU informational request made 13 during the May 25, 2021 session. 14 Question No. 1. "How much capital is 15 the Company investing in new capital projects at the 16 Clinton site?" 17 Before I read the Company response, you 18 know, sharing of capital investment plans and other 19 costs associated with the Company is not shared 20 broadly in the public. And so we would ask and, you 21 know, we can discuss whether or not -- I would like 22 to discuss whether or not you would agree to this to 23 not share the information with the public outside of 24 the Company and it would be subject to a 25 confidentiality agreement. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 9 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I guess if you are 2 saying you are not going to go through it until we 3 answer you, then we have to caucus and discuss it. 4 Is that what you are saying? 5 MS. McCLAIN: Yes, if that is okay. 6 MR. FREDRIKSEN: All right. Let's 7 caucus and discuss this. 8 So, is it just Question No. 1, is there 9 anything else? 10 MS. McCLAIN: It applies to -- and, 11 Josh, help me. Question No. 1 which was how much 12 capital. And then it was Question No. 6 regarding 13 total operating costs, where you asked for future 14 outlooks or plans. 15 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. We will caucus. 16 It will be short. We will discuss it. I need ten, 17 15 minutes. 18 (Remote negotiations recessed at 1:19 19 p.m. and resumed at 1:24 p.m.) 20 MR. FREDRIKSEN: The Company asked if 21 we would sign a confidentiality agreement to view 22 the information. You already sent us the document. 23 I looked at it already. I don't think you can make 24 us sign a confidentiality agreement after the fact. 25 But in the interest of moving this forward and not Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 10 1 getting things bogged down, all of us in this room 2 on the Company's side are willing to make a 3 nonbinding agreement not to share this with anybody 4 outside of this room. 5 Conversation Redacted Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 11 1 Conversation Redacted Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 12 1 Conversation Redacted Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 13 1 Conversation Redacted Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 14 1 Conversation Redacted 2 MS. LOUIE: And what is it that you are 3 intending to do with that information. I am trying 4 to understand, how do -- how does that compare to 5 other ExxonMobil locations? I am trying to 6 understand, what is it that you want me to compare? 7 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I would like to see if 8 the number of tests that we can do on-site is 9 increasing or decreasing. I would like to compare 10 it to the rate that it is increasing or decreasing 11 at the other ExxonMobil locations. So the important 12 part about this is that it is year over year so that 13 it can see how the testing capability changes. 14 So if you just respond with one year, 15 it won't really tell me the information I want. You 16 also don't have to give me an exhaustive list, if 17 you don't want to, but you can tell me which tests 18 have gone away and which are new tests, for example. 19 So the spirit of the question is, I 20 want to see how it changes over the years, and I 21 want to see how that compares to how it changes over 22 the years at other locations. Does that clarify 23 things? 24 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I don't have readily 25 access to information at other sites, and I don't Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 15 1 know what specific site you are asking for. So is 2 there a specific location that you are asking us to 3 get information from? 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Well, to answer that 5 question, I guess I will have to respond with 6 another question. 7 What other the research organizations 8 within ExxonMobil corporate that run tests? I know 9 Sarnia does. Does Houston? I don't know. I don't 10 know the answer to that. So what are the other 11 locations? 12 MS. LOUIE: So am I getting a year on 13 year for those -- let's say Sarnia, for example, 14 their tests, their number of tests, the type of 15 tests might be different than the type of tests and 16 number of tests that we do. 17 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I fully expect that to 18 be the case. 19 MS. LOUIE: So you want me to go and 20 ask Sarnia. Is there any other site that you are 21 asking me to do because it is helpful when I go and 22 ask these folks to -- for them to have time to get 23 me this information. 24 MS. McCLAIN: If not -- it is not 25 readily available -- Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 16 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I know. 2 MS. McCLAIN: -- you know, to us, at 3 Clinton, to have information like that about any 4 other site. 5 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I hear what you are 6 saying. The Company is telling us that they are not 7 using -- they are not intending to use, sending 8 tests off-site as a way to attrit the Bargaining 9 Unit. Did I capture that correctly, that is what 10 your intention is not to do? You told us that last 11 time. 12 MS. McCLAIN: So that is what you are 13 looking for, right? 14 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Evidence that that is 15 not what you are doing. 16 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. Evidence that -- 17 and again for tests that -- just so I can understand 18 the intent and the spirit of what you are looking 19 for, is some sort of information that says the 20 Company, whether or not we are moving work from 21 Clinton to another site. 22 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. Like for 23 example, non-represented sites. 24 MS. McCLAIN: And things like that, 25 okay. We will get back to you. I think we Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 17 1 understand what your intent and the kinds of things 2 -- the intent of -- let's take this back, Yuk, 3 and -- 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I am not going to hold 5 you to anything really specific on that. Like you 6 don't have to follow the letter of the question. 7 Basically anything you can provide me that addresses 8 my concerns would be appreciated. 9 MS. LOUIE: I just think that for the 10 other locations, that is going to be the challenge 11 and I am not knowing going to be able to get it for 12 you right away, especially if you are talking about 13 year-on-year comparison, and I would have to explain 14 to the people, you know, what are the type of 15 information I am trying to get. 16 MS. McCLAIN: I think we should caucus 17 and see -- and we can talk about it and see and get 18 back to you on this one, Tom. 19 MS. LOUIE: Any clarification that you 20 can provide would help us. 21 MS. McCLAIN: Yes. 22 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Let me think about it. 23 Let me think about a way to clarify it further. 24 So the kind of questions of the 25 challenge here is, you want to know what exactly you Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 18 1 can ask the other location. So would it be 2 reasonable to ask the other locations if your 3 testing capability has increased or decreased in the 4 past three years? Just ask them if it has gone up 5 or if it has gone down. Have you reduced the number 6 of tests that you can do on-site or have you 7 increased the number of tests you can do on-site? 8 You don't even have to get a list of them. 9 MR. FERRO: Tom, can I make a 10 suggestion? 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Sure. 12 MR. FERRO: If we start with 13 information about Clinton and we get it from the 14 team here, we can then go through that and figure 15 out what we would want to ask the other sites from 16 what they give us. Which would in turn help them. 17 You know what I am saying? 18 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes, that is probably 19 reasonable. 20 If you respond to the request for 21 Clinton first, maybe we can rephrase the questions 22 so that you can ask other locations or distill them 23 down to something more exact. I understand, and I 24 recognize that in its current form it is a lot of 25 work to expect other locations that aren't part of Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 19 1 this bargaining process to take on that burden, and 2 I am trying to work with that and my intention is 3 not to do that. 4 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. All right. So 5 No. 6. "What was the total operating costs at the 6 Clinton site for 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022, if 7 available?" 8 The Company Response. "The Company 9 objects on relevance grounds, without waiving this 10 objection and, of course, what we just talked about, 11 subject to a confidentiality agreement, nonbinding, 12 Remainder of response redacted 13 14 15 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 16 MS. McCLAIN: No. 7. "What is the 17 total cost savings from the bargaining unit that the 18 Company is looking for? Please break this out so as 19 to explain what the target is." 20 The Company response: "There is no 21 specific target. The Company has stated that our 22 objectives are to be competitive and flexible." 23 MR. FREDRIKSEN: So this is a lot of 24 information. We are obviously going to need to 25 digest this a little bit and present you with a Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 20 1 counter. Do you have anything else that you want to 2 talk about or address before we caucus? 3 MS. McCLAIN: No, we didn't have 4 anything else, but I think this is the extent of the 5 outstanding information requests. Right? Was there 6 anything else? This is what we had from our notes 7 and communications. 8 MR. FREDRIKSEN: This is my 9 understanding. I will review it to make sure that 10 there isn't anything outstanding. And speak up if 11 anybody else on the team thinks something is 12 missing. I think this is -- these are the open 13 items. So there is still one, obviously, that is 14 remaining open. And just to reiterate, if you could 15 give us that information, starting with Clinton, we 16 can figure out what we -- what to ask for, for the 17 other locations, as a follow-up. 18 MS. McCLAIN: For No. 5, yes. 19 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. 20 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. And we will caucus 21 and work on that while you are caucusing on this 22 one. 23 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. Thank you. 24 (Remote negotiations recessed at 1:40 25 p.m. and resumed at 2:47 p.m.) Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 21 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Thank you for meeting 2 with us again. 3 In light of the Company's informational 4 response and in an attempt to reconcile that with 5 what we -- our previous understanding, based on 6 Company comments on how they wanted to manage that 7 promotional group, we have created a 8 counterproposal. So I am going to share that. I am 9 going to send that first. E-mail it and then I will 10 share it. 11 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 12 MR. FREDRIKSEN: The Union 13 counterproposal dated June 3, 2021. "In addition to 14 all previous tentative agreements, the Union 15 counters with the following package: 16 Item B, C1 -- "Item B, No. 1, C5." 17 This is a new addition to C5. "The Union will agree 18 to the proposed structure of the Automative Mechanic 19 promotional chart with these exceptions. Automotive 20 Technician. Only one level of progression 21 Automotive Technician Start, monthly pay, $4,954." 22 In parentheses, "equivalent to Technician, 3-year. 23 Biweekly pay, $2,278.64. Hourly pay, $28.48. 24 "These figures are based on rates from 25 the 2018 progression year and do not account for Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 22 1 whatever the bargained wage increase is. The 2 Company will maintain no more than 20 percent of the 3 total automotive promotional group at Automotive 4 Technician Start. No change from the Company 5 proposal for Advanced Automotive Technician or 6 Senior Automotive Technician." 7 That is the first change. 8 Before I go to the next thing, I would 9 like to point out and maybe potentially start a 10 dialogue about the name Advanced Automotive 11 Technician. I brought this up in the past, but I 12 don't think that is consistent with the name and 13 convention in a lot of other areas of the Company. 14 For example, like Research Technician, I know that 15 there exists an Advanced Research Technician, but it 16 is above Senior. And I think that is also true for 17 positions, that "Advanced" in general is above 18 Senior. So I am not saying we are against the name, 19 but I am suggesting maybe an alternative, you know, 20 to that for consistency. 21 MS. McCLAIN: I hear what you are 22 saying, and just from -- whatever suggestion you 23 have on that, we will of course consider. It was 24 just -- you know, if we had Automotive Tech, then 25 Automotive Tech, right, or if you just wanted Tech Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 23 1 and then Automotive Tech and then Senior Automotive 2 Tech. 3 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yeah, I mean, it can 4 still be Technician, right? Like it is in a 5 direction promotional group. Right? 6 MS. McCLAIN: Uh-huh. Okay. 7 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I think I can -- so 8 that is the first part of our proposal. There are 9 changes to C2 from our last counterproposal. There 10 are no changes to U-4 from our last counterproposal. 11 There are changes to U-10 from our last 12 counterproposal. However, we added an additional 13 part to the package. This is an addition of a 14 recognized holiday. 15 Steve, do you want to take this? 16 MR. RAGOMO: Sure. So No. 5. 17 Additional recognized holiday, Article XV, under 18 hours, Section 10, as holidays. We are adding in 19 "A, the Company will recognize" -- we scratched 10 20 and 11 holidays as follows: The addition of 21 Juneteenth to be recognized as a holiday." And then 22 in parentheses, my apologies, June 19 in 23 parenthesis. 24 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I noticed a spelling 25 error from "additional" to "edition." I also forgot Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 24 1 to put dollar signs here. Do you need me to send 2 you a fixed one with dollar signs? 3 MS. McCLAIN: No. 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 5 MS. McCLAIN: That is fine. We will 6 caucus and consider that, but I just wanted -- I 7 just had a couple of questions off the top of my 8 head. 9 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Sure. 10 MS. McCLAIN: On this one, I think I 11 understand what you are talking about. So you are 12 saying, even if, like the three people that we hired 13 in 2019, let's just say, that had the two years of 14 prior experience, that they would come in at a 15 Technician-3. 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Or Advanced automotive 17 Technician, if you prefer. 18 MS. McCLAIN: Or the higher, 19 whichever -- 20 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. 21 MS. McCLAIN: Let's just say they had 22 no prior experience other than those two years. 23 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. 24 MS. McCLAIN: And you are saying the 25 minimum level that they would start at would be Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 25 1 Technician-3, and then the following year they would 2 move up to Advanced Automotive Tech Start? 3 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. 4 MS. McCLAIN: That is -- am I 5 understanding that correctly? 6 MR. FREDRIKSEN: This is lending the 7 Company the flexibility to hire at that rate, with 8 the lower amount of experience. The Company still 9 does not agree that that would be beneficial, the 10 Company's proposal overall is beneficial to the job 11 family in the long run, but we are willing to -- we 12 have made movement in response to the Company's 13 request for more flexibility, so we are adding an 14 eighth level of progression. 15 I will point out at this time, was our 16 previously tentative -- our previous agreement was 17 to add only the Automotive Technician and Senior 18 Automotive Technician promotional levels, which 19 mapped to Research Tech and Senior Research Tech. 20 That was an agreement between the Company and the 21 Union, but The Company changed. So just to point 22 out for the record. 23 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. And then this 24 question around, "The Company will maintain no more 25 than 20 percent of the total Automotive Promotional Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 26 1 Group at the Automotive Technician Start." 2 So let's say we have got -- I am just 3 trying to understand this. If we have nine -- if 4 why have eight Automotive Techs, I am just making a 5 number up. If we have eight Automotive Techs and we 6 want to hire two people for ten. Okay? 20 percent, 7 right, would be two. Right? If we already have two 8 people at this Automotive Tech Start -- the 9 Automotive 3-year, Technician Start, at Year 3, 10 where would the new hires then come in? 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: The Company has other 12 options. They don't have to -- you can accelerate 13 the promotional scale for people. So if you want to 14 promote those people to Advanced Automotive 15 Technician, you can, if they have been here for more 16 than six months. I believe it is at that rate, you 17 can accelerate it by two times. That is in section 18 -- I don't remember which section, but it is called 19 "Accelerations." So that is one option that you can 20 do, is you can try to accelerate those people that 21 are already there. Another option you could do is 22 you could hire them as Advanced Automotive 23 Technicians. 24 MS. McCLAIN: I was just trying to 25 understand where your head is at. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 27 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: That is where our head 2 is at. And this is based on our -- when we asked 3 you if you were going to try to treat this the 4 way -- like in practice, the way you treat the 5 Research Techs, you said yes, but that is not what I 6 saw when you responded to us. I saw that you were 7 hiring everything at the lowest rate, which is not 8 what you do with Research Techs. You hire mostly at 9 Research Tech or Senior Research Tech now. 10 And then the 7-Year guy, I can't 11 believe you hired him at Automotive Tech. There is 12 no justification for that. He should be an Advanced 13 Automotive Tech Year 2 or Year 1. That doesn't make 14 sense. 15 MS. McCLAIN: I understand that. And 16 this question, I understand where you are coming 17 from. My question is, again, so you would be okay, 18 at least this 20 percent, you are saying that even 19 if the person came in with two years of experience 20 versus somebody that had, you know, two years and 21 five months, if the Company hired them in at 22 Automotive Tech, the Union would be okay with that 23 or Advanced Automotive Tech, in that scenario that I 24 was talking about when we crossover meeting the 20 25 percent? Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 28 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: So I think we are 2 coming to a fundamental disagreement on how postings 3 of jobs works, and maybe we won't be able to see eye 4 to eye. But if you offer a more competitive rate, 5 you will get better applications. So maybe the 6 people that wouldn't have applied to a job that is 7 paying $25 an hour, maybe more people would apply 8 for a job that is paying $28 or $29 an hour. Right? 9 MR. FERRO: Can I add that this also 10 lines up with the amount of experience within the 11 job description for hiring new people in this 12 position? 13 MS. McCLAIN: So the job description 14 rights has three years. It doesn't mean that you 15 would get necessarily the Tech Start if you had 16 three years, right. So at least, from our position, 17 I see where you guys are coming from that you are 18 trying to say Technician Start would be someone with 19 no experience. Is that what you are saying? 20 MR. FREDRIKSEN: That is -- that is 21 like how it kind of used to be, like ages ago, like 22 for the Research Tech job family. Now it is an 23 associate's degree, right? But if somebody had no 24 relevant experience in this field and working as a 25 Technician in oil and gas, you would hire them as a Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 29 1 Technician in the past. Now more people have 2 bachelor's degrees and stuff and things have changed 3 and I understand that. But it is not as easy to 4 compare that with Automotive Tech, one to one, but 5 in our opinion, it needs -- there needs to be a 6 competitive rate to get the best people. I just 7 don't see that $25.42 is a competitive rate. It is 8 a very low rate. 9 And not to mention having 14 years of 10 progression, it is miserable. It means that they 11 are missing out on compounding for a long portion of 12 their career. For some people that is almost half 13 of their entire career and they are missing -- the 14 less -- the lower the number of progression levels 15 until they get to the topped-out rate is the better 16 for them. So that is like -- you are going -- the 17 Company's proposal -- 18 MS. McCLAIN: I understand. I hear 19 what you are saying and, you know, we will take it 20 under consideration. I would challenge that the 21 people that we got are not the best people. The 22 ones that hired on and are with us, that they are 23 great employees and, you know, the best qualified 24 candidates that we saw. So I disagree that at that 25 rate we would not be able to get great people. We Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 30 1 got great people, we were able to get great people. 2 So I disagree with that statement. 3 MR. FREDRIKSEN: This is it. That is 4 the problem. This is why we don't see eye to eye, 5 right? It is because -- the Company is saying that 6 they are willing to pay a position at the lowest 7 rate as long as the people continue to apply for the 8 job. The lowest rate possible. But I just don't 9 think that that is a good long-term strategy. 10 MS. McCLAIN: I think, you know, the 11 Company, at least what I have said is, we have tried 12 to be competitive. We look at all of the 13 information from attraction to retention to, you 14 know, all the other factors that come in with our 15 decision at rates. We take into account, you know, 16 prior experience, to the best of our ability, and 17 you know, I hear what you are saying, and I think I 18 understand what the Union's proposals are. I am 19 commenting on the fact that there were statements 20 made that we were not going to get the best people 21 at those rates, and I was -- 22 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Actually, that is not 23 really what I said. What I said is you might -- you 24 might get other different people applying. Right? 25 It is not to say that the people you hired aren't Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 31 1 the best, that is not what I meant. You are kind of 2 twisting the words around. What I stated was kind 3 of a basic principle of economics is that the more 4 competitive rate that you offer, the more 5 competitive the resumes you get are going to be. 6 Like, it is just the way it is. 7 In any case, it is beside the point. 8 The bottom line is that the Company and the Union 9 agree to have five, six, seven, eight, nine levels 10 of progression for Automotive Technician. We agreed 11 to that and that was what we were operating under 12 for over a year, maybe even two years. The Company 13 made a change that they wanted to have 14 years of 14 progression. The Union took exception to that. So 15 we are -- our counterproposal, at this point, is to 16 offer you ten levels of progression with one that 17 you can hire with lower experience, at a lower rate 18 of pay. 19 So that is the crux of the Union's 20 proposals. And we are also adding that based on 21 comments that you made, that you wouldn't hire -- 22 that basically you wouldn't hold me hire at that 23 lowest level. You would seek to hire at higher 24 levels. Just like Research Tech. 25 MS. McCLAIN: We intend to do that. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 32 1 And I can't -- like I said, the one with seven 2 years, you know, I can't say why that decision was 3 made at that time. But I still intend and, Yuk, you 4 can comment, the intent is to hire similar to the 5 other -- to the way that we handle Research Techs. 6 And like I said, I stand by that. 7 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. All right. 8 Well, this is our counterproposal. 9 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. Let me just see if 10 there were other questions. No change for C2. No 11 change to U-4. So the prior side agreement on 12 Savings Plan is the same, right? 13 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. 14 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. And then it was 15 the change to holidays, right? 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: In addition of a 17 recognition holiday, yes. 18 MS. McCLAIN: Yep. 19 MR. FREDRIKSEN: This is a good 20 opportunity for the Company to get -- you know, be 21 an industry leader in something that is going to 22 happen. It is part of the -- it has already 23 happened. 24 Steve, can you remind me what you said 25 about Texas? Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 33 1 MR. RAGOMO: Texas, I believe it was in 2 2020, it is a recognized state holiday, in 3 Galveston, I believe is -- Michael Molina was kind 4 enough to give me clarity on it, and I believe it 5 was Galveston, Texas where it was actually done. 6 We see this as an opportunity of 7 inclusion and diversity for ExxonMobil and to 8 actually be a leader in the industry of this. And 9 it is one where the -- we feel it is necessary. It 10 is -- now is the time to do it. So why not be a 11 leader in it. I think it would be -- it would show 12 a great recognition to everyone who does contribute 13 to ExxonMobil. And if I may say so, it is one that 14 truly shows that it is all-inclusive in terms of 15 everyone. 16 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. I understand the 17 proposal. I didn't have any questions on that. 18 Thank you. I understand your intent behind it. I 19 appreciate it. 20 We will caucus, if that is okay. 21 Anything from you guys, team? 22 No, okay. 23 All right, let's caucus on this one, 24 and let me caucus with the team for right now. 25 Okay? Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 34 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 2 MS. McCLAIN: All right. Thank you. 3 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Thank you. 4 (Remote negotiations recessed at 3:06 5 p.m. and resumed at 3:52 p.m.) 6 MS. McCLAIN: We are still working away 7 on the proposal. I wanted to be respectful of 8 everybody's time. You know, we have time set up 9 next week. And then -- I think you are okay with 10 that date and time, and the 18th as well, so the 11 11th and the 18th? 12 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes, I sent an e-mail 13 that I didn't get a follow-up on. We are not 14 available for the 24th. 15 MS. McCLAIN: We are working. 16 MR. BRYANT: I wasn't trying to ignore 17 it. 18 MR. FREDRIKSEN: No problem. I just 19 wanted to remind you. 20 MR. BRYANT: Thank you. 21 MS. McCLAIN: The one thing I did want 22 to point out and throw out there, if it is okay, you 23 know, Yuk and Josh and I are all going to be back at 24 the site, would you guys be open to meeting in 25 person for our meetings starting the week of the Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 35 1 14th, that 18th? 2 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Can we talk about it 3 first, before we say yes definitely? 4 MS. McCLAIN: Sure, sure, sure. And 5 just to make it easier on everybody, I know Paul is 6 joining still, and Rita, just to make it easier for 7 folks, if they want to join via Zoom, while those of 8 us who are at work who can join at work, I am open 9 to that. 10 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 11 MR. RAGOMO: Thank you. 12 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Maybe we can use those 13 360 degree cameras that I haven't seen anybody use. 14 MS. McCLAIN: If that is okay with you, 15 go ahead and think that over and let us know and we 16 can book some rooms. 17 MR. RAGOMO: Thank you. 18 MR. FREDRIKSEN: One more thing -- 19 MS. McCLAIN: We are still working on 20 the information request. So we should -- data is 21 coming in. 22 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Sure. One more thing, 23 just as a reminder. We have a bunch of days. We 24 have five, maybe six, if we have a replacement date 25 for the 24th, a day scheduled for June, which that Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 36 1 is great. You know, the Company's intent is to 2 withdraw its ratification bonus on the 30th, making 3 that, by their proposal strategy, a significant 4 date. 5 Steve? 6 MR. RAGOMO: Yeah, we are -- with that 7 in mind, I want to ask the Company again regarding a 8 mediator because with the time and we do appreciate 9 all the extra meetings to try to come to some type 10 of agreement, I want to again propose to the Company 11 to try and have a mediator come in and bring us 12 closer to a resolution. 13 MR. FREDRIKSEN: In particular, it 14 would be really helpful if we could have a 15 commitment from the Company that after June 30th you 16 would agree to a mediator to, you know, show that 17 this is something that you now have felt that you 18 have been taking -- you feel that it is necessary to 19 reduce the wage offer. So, you know, if you want to 20 explore all possible options, a mediator is one that 21 we haven't done yet. Right? 22 MR. RAGOMO: And it is closing in on 23 three years. 24 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. 25 MS. McCLAIN: We will take it under Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 37 1 consideration. 2 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 3 MR. RAGOMO: Thank you. 4 MS. McCLAIN: Thank you for the time 5 and the proposal. We are considering it and we will 6 get back to you. You know, if we have any 7 questions, similarly, if something comes up, send it 8 our way. 9 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 10 MR. RAGOMO: Thank you. 11 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 12 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Thank you. 13 MS. McCLAIN: Thank you. 14 MR. BRYANT: Thanks, everyone. 15 (Remote negotiations adjourned at 16 3:57 p.m.) 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 38 1 2 CERTIFICATE 3 4 I, RITA GARDNER, Notary Public of the 5 State of New Jersey and a Certified Court Reporter, 6 do hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and 7 accurate transcript of the remote testimony as taken 8 stenographically by and before me at the time and on 9 the date hereinbefore set forth. 10 I DO FURTHER CERTIFY that I am neither a 11 relative nor employee nor attorney nor counsel of any 12 of the parties to this action, and that I am neither 13 a relative or employee of such attorney or counsel, 14 and that I am not financially interested in the 15 action. 16 17 18 Notary Public of the State of New Jersey 19 20 Dated: June 4, 2021 21 22 23 24 25 Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 $ $10 [1] - 10:16 $2,278.64 [1] - 21:23 $25 [1] - 28:7 $25.42 [1] - 29:7 $28 [1] - 28:8 $28.48 [1] - 21:23 $29 [1] - 28:8 $4,954 [1] - 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