1 1 2 EMRE - ILEU 3 4 Collective Bargaining Agreement Negotiations 5 Friday, December 17, 2021 Commencing at 10:05 a.m. EST 6 7 HELD REMOTELY VIA ZOOM 8 --- Day 68 --- 9 P R E S E N T: 10 EXXONMOBIL RESEARCH AND ENGINEERING COMPANY: 11 JEFFELEE McCLAIN, CLINTON SITE HR MANAGER 12 JOSH BRYANT, CLINTON SITE LABOR ADVISOR YUK LOUIE, R&D OPERATIONS MANAGER 13 INDEPENDENT LABORATORY EMPLOYEES' UNION: 14 STEVEN RAGOMO, PRESIDENT 15 THOMAS FREDRIKSEN, VICE PRESIDENT ETHAN SEBASCO, SECRETARY 16 THOMAS FERRO, TREASURER DAVID LEBRON, ACT DELEGATE 17 MICHAEL MOLINA, PO&T DELEGATE MICHAEL STRASSER, CSR STEWARD 18 LYNDA SMITH, DELEGATE 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 2 1 MS. McCLAIN: I appreciate everybody 2 taking the time to meet. I know it is the Friday 3 before some folks are going on vacation next week. 4 We have a response to the Union's 5 proposal, dated December 17, that Josh will send 6 over in a few minutes. 7 From our notes, there were no 8 outstanding information requests that were sent. 9 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I think that is 10 correct. 11 MR. RAGOMO: Yes, I believe that is 12 correct. 13 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. So what you will 14 see is a change to the Holiday. Everything else 15 remains the same from the Company's last provided 16 proposal. I can walk through each of those items, 17 if you would like, but again, there is no change to 18 C5, where we accepted the agreement to add the 19 automotive classification. 20 No change to the Company's C2 proposal 21 provided previously. 22 No change to U4 regarding the Savings 23 Plan. No change to Article XVI regarding Other 24 Working Conditions, primarily Section XX on the 25 Parental Paid Time Off. No change to U10 with the Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 3 1 wages from what was previously provided. 2 The change that was made was to the 3 recognized holiday. We are proposing a change to 4 Section 10, where, A, Section 10, Holidays -- sorry, 5 Article XV, Hours, Section 10, Holidays. 6 A, we are proposing it to read that the 7 Company will recognize 11 holidays as follows: 8 B, effective January 1, 2022, in 9 addition to the previously listed holidays and in 10 celebration of the Federal government recognizing 11 Juneteenth as an American holiday, one additional 12 day may be chosen to be celebrated by the employee. 13 The employee will receive this 14 additional day regardless of when his or her period 15 of employment began during the year. The provisions 16 regarding notice of Article XV, Section 10, 17 Subsection A, No. 3 will apply. 18 The Company may at any time withdraw 19 this one holiday, and given 30 days advanced notice 20 to the Union, the day will no longer be available. 21 This change is not subject to grievance or 22 arbitration. 23 4, the other holidays listed in Article 24 XV, Section 10, Subsection A, Nos. 3 and 4 may be 25 taken in half-day increments. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 4 1 So that is the only change there. And 2 the Company rejected the Union's proposal on LPS. 3 Okay? 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. Let me just 5 look it over and see if I have any questions right 6 now. 7 So the Company's intent is to maintain 8 the holiday for June 19th concurrent with the rest 9 of the Company? This wouldn't be something that 10 they would just -- the intent is not to remove it 11 for the Union, but keep it for everybody else? 12 MS. McCLAIN: No. 13 MR. FREDRIKSEN: The language -- 14 MS. McCLAIN: That is correct. The 15 intent is that for holidays and this additional 11th 16 floating holiday, everyone in the Corporation would 17 be treated the same. So you are absolutely correct 18 in the intent. 19 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 20 Steve, do you have any questions? 21 MR. RAGOMO: Yes. 22 Staying on that, JeffeLee, if you could 23 page down to Holidays, I just want to make sure that 24 -- before, my understanding was that the Company 25 wanted to give us that 11th day, but have the Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 5 1 ability to take away all of our days. 2 MS. McCLAIN: No, it is not all of the 3 days. It is ten -- we have always had ten. This is 4 a new floating holiday being introduced. 5 The Company is asking for the 6 flexibility to withdraw the one holiday. We would 7 revert back to the ten, as we have always had, if 8 the Company decides to do that for every one. 9 MR. RAGOMO: And in taking it away, 10 you wouldn't recognize that you are taking away 11 Juneteenth, is my understanding. 12 MS. McCLAIN: No. There is no need 13 to do that. We don't disavow any holidays that we 14 have in America. It would be simply that we are, as 15 a company, deciding that we should have 10 holidays 16 instead of 11 and it would be a floating holiday 17 that would be removed. 18 MR. RAGOMO: But in the sentence 19 above, it says in celebration of the Federal 20 government recognizing Juneteenth as an American 21 holiday, one additional day may be chosen to be 22 celebrated by the employee. 23 The Company is saying that you are 24 recognizing it. So I want you to also recognize 25 when you do take it away, because I feel as though Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 6 1 the Company does things, in my opinion, that are in 2 a discriminatory fashion. And quite honestly, I 3 find it appalling that the Company doesn't -- okay. 4 Anyway -- fine. I have said enough. 5 MR. FREDRIKSEN: We are going to 6 caucus and discuss the proposal. 7 MR. FERRO: I have a question. 8 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Go ahead. 9 MR. FERRO: For Holidays, Part B, the 10 practicality of the language of giving 30 days 11 advanced notice, it seems a little impractical. 12 Would the Company be open to something that gives 13 like a year in advance. I can imagine a scenario 14 where somebody takes their four floating holidays in 15 January for some reason and then the Company decides 16 in July to get rid of it with 30 days advanced 17 notice. 18 So it is hard to administer without 19 knowing a year ahead of time. Some people might get 20 the day. Some people might not get the day, the way 21 it is written. 22 MS. McCLAIN: I see what you are 23 saying. We will consider whatever proposals you 24 bring forward. It is something that we would have 25 to think about. I think that is something we can Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 7 1 talk through on the administration of it. 2 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. That is it. 3 Let's caucus. 4 MR. RAGOMO: Good point, Tom. Thank 5 you. 6 (Remote contract negotiations recessed 7 at 10:18 a.m. and resumed at 11:30 a.m.) 8 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Thank you for getting 9 back together with us. 10 We were going through the Company's 11 counterproposal and we have some questions for you. 12 The first thing is the Company reproposed C2. We 13 were reading through it again, as we have read 14 through it before, but some good discussions came up 15 regarding the Company's arbitration ruling language. 16 I would just like you to help me. 17 Explain what that might look like in terms of if 18 after this agreement were to theoretically be made 19 with that language in there and arbitration were to 20 occur, and a ruling were to be made, what happens 21 the next time another arbitration comes up to that 22 ruling? 23 MS. McCLAIN: I am trying to 24 understand. 25 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Because you are not Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 8 1 saying it can't be arbitrated. You are saying 2 arbitrators just can't look at old rulings. 3 MS. McCLAIN: Correct. 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: How do you not avoid 5 a situation where this is just arbitrated every 6 year, over and over again. 7 MS. McCLAIN: We are hoping that it 8 wouldn't because we have been talking about this for 9 a while and we would come to an understanding about 10 how this works. 11 Our intent is not that we have 12 arbitrations every single year on issues. We don't 13 intend to violate our agreement or have disputes 14 about this. That would lead to arbitration. But 15 you are correct that we are not saying that this 16 can't go to arbitration. The Union would bring 17 forward a grievance, and we would hear the 18 grievance. I mean, it has to go through that 19 process. It is not our intent that it gets there. 20 MR. FREDRIKSEN: In a perfect world, 21 right, nothing would go to arbitration. Right? 22 MS. McCLAIN: Uh-huh. 23 MR. FREDRIKSEN: In a perfect world, 24 nothing would go to arbitration because all the 25 contract language would always be airtight, solid. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 9 1 MS. McCLAIN: It gives us, you know, 2 lower levels where it doesn't get there, if there is 3 a disagreement or something like that. That is why 4 the grievance process is there. 5 Yes, I guess the interpretation is just 6 that. My understanding would be just that, that you 7 could bring forward an issue if you see that there 8 is a violation, right, because I guess the Company 9 could bring forward an issue if the Union 10 violated -- 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Of course. 12 MS. McCLAIN: We would have to take 13 it on what the issues are at the time, but our 14 intent is not that we are in perpetual arbitration 15 over this. 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: So, again, I have to 17 ask, what do you think it would look like if there 18 were some flaw in this agreement that was discovered 19 less than a year after the agreement is made. And 20 then it is taken to arbitration. That takes a 21 little bit of time and a ruling comes out. And then 22 say that ruling is not followed correctly or the 23 Company takes exception to the ruling or say the 24 ruling is not in the Union's favor and the Union 25 takes exception to it. It just goes back to Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 10 1 arbitration again, and we just do it again? 2 Groundhog Day? Same issue? 3 MS. McCLAIN: Isn't that any -- how 4 is that different, though, than today? 5 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Arbitration rulings 6 become contract language the second they are made. 7 We have binding arbitration in this contract. 8 MS. McCLAIN: Right. And we are not 9 saying that. We are saying that if a contract 10 ruling comes out, they have to look at this 11 language, you know, and the article and not the past 12 rulings, but, you know, this is what -- it would 13 still -- this language and the ruling that they had, 14 we could challenge it, but we could choose to follow 15 it, as well. I mean, we would follow it. I am not 16 sure I am following your logic. 17 MR. FREDRIKSEN: The logic is we can 18 never expand on this. If there is something wrong 19 with it, you can't -- there can't be a building 20 history of understanding between the Union and the 21 Company. 22 The proposal is written in an 23 idealistic sense where the Company has this idea 24 that it is perfect and that there shouldn't be any 25 problems and that it will never go to arbitration Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 11 1 again and everything will be fine moving forward. 2 I just don't think that is realistic 3 for any section of the contract to have anybody 4 think that it is ironclad ever. That is why 5 arbitrations exist. I just envision -- 6 MS. McCLAIN: You would still bring 7 in the issues that brought up -- you would still go 8 to arbitration, discuss what is happening, right? 9 We are simply saying that in looking at 10 the agreement, you know, they just have to look at 11 this and the article. So, you would still bring up 12 the concerns that you have, the evidence associated 13 with that, you know, on that issue. 14 MR. FREDRIKSEN: But there can never 15 be a building understanding. It is always going to 16 have to be looked at with fresh eyes every single 17 time. 18 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 19 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I can easily see that 20 affecting the Company negatively just as much as it 21 could affect the Union negatively. I don't think 22 that is good for either of us. 23 MS. McCLAIN: I guess for us, we are 24 comfortable with, you know, addressing the issues at 25 hand that are presented to us, you know, with the Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 12 1 information that we provide to an arbitrator in this 2 language. 3 I have your question. Let me just 4 reiterate it so that I can talk to the team. This 5 is my response. But you are asking, specific to the 6 arbitration clause, is the Company -- what happens 7 if we have a dispute that gets to arbitration and 8 there are subsequent disputes? Is that correct? 9 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Right. 10 MS. McCLAIN: I have your question. 11 Let me confer with our team, my team, but, you know, 12 my interpretation, like I said is -- it is not that 13 we would consistently have disputes over and over 14 again, but, yes, we would address the issues that 15 come up, if they get there, and you would look at 16 the CBA and the side letter and the evidence of that 17 particular issue. 18 MR. STRASSER: Can I make a quick 19 comment? 20 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 21 MR. STRASSER: The way that I look at 22 the arbitration restriction, think of it like you 23 are a lawyer who has to go to trial in front of a 24 judge and you are forbidden to cite any kind every 25 precedent or legal precedent whatsoever, because you Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 13 1 are not allowed to look at any sort of past ruling 2 or decision ever made in a court of law. 3 How are you supposed to make a robust 4 legal argument if you are not allowed to cite any 5 past precedent of any kind? 6 MS. McCLAIN: I understand what you 7 are saying. 8 MR. FREDRIKSEN: If you could just 9 discuss that and get back to us, it would be 10 helpful. We can have more discussion after you guys 11 deliberate. 12 So I have more questions. 13 PPTO, the Company's response was to 14 repropose their previous language, but you didn't 15 verbalize why. 16 Can I ask why? What is the Company's 17 issue with progressively increasing the time allowed 18 to what everybody else gets, eight weeks? 19 MS. McCLAIN: We have talked about 20 PPTO for quite some time. I think we were 21 comfortable with our proposal as the Company, that 22 five days is sufficient from our standpoint. And so 23 we didn't see a need to change it at this -- from 24 what is here. 25 MR. FREDRIKSEN: You didn't see a need Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 14 1 change it. How many times have we talked about the 2 Company's interest in making sure that all employees 3 on the site are treated the same and that there is a 4 uniformity -- 5 MS. McCLAIN: Of benefits. 6 MR. FREDRIKSEN: -- on the Clinton 7 site. 8 I understand that you have this program 9 benefit thing, but from a -- explain to me, like I 10 am five years old and I don't understand the 11 difference between a program and benefit, why my 12 coworker, who works in the same lab as me, gets 13 eight weeks and I get one. 14 MS. McCLAIN: We did discuss this. 15 So you can go back in the records and look, but -- 16 and it does go back to the nature of Paid Parental 17 Time Off and what it is and what it isn't. 18 For Paid Parental Time Off, as it 19 applies to folks represented here, the Company feels 20 that based on -- we shared this before, right -- 21 compensation, market precedent, all of that, that 22 five days is appropriate. And not really why. The 23 rules are different. The rules around, you know, 24 how programs are administered, how compensation and 25 time off is administered, you know, are different in Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 15 1 competitive markets. This program was created 2 specifically around the competitive market, you 3 know, for other roles. 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: So you are saying you 5 looked at other companies with similar employment as 6 us, Research Technicians in other companies, and one 7 week is in line with the market, in terms of the 8 jobs that are on the Clinton site? 9 MS. McCLAIN: I think what we said 10 and what we talked about is that the eight weeks was 11 compared for national organizations and MPTs, right? 12 And so for us, applying that same standard to folks 13 who are not nationally benchmarked at our site and 14 for people in roles that were not benchmarked, we 15 felt five days was appropriate. 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: So would you say, if 17 you were presented with evidence to the contrary, 18 which is that people in our position are granted 19 more than one week, you would consider that, the 20 same type of reasoning that gave you the eight weeks 21 to the MPTs in the first place? 22 MS. McCLAIN: We would consider 23 whatever evidence that you provide. I think we have 24 -- you have provided other information previously. 25 You know, if you have new information, of course we Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 16 1 would review it. 2 Do you have information for us? 3 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I am just asking the 4 question. You know, we are going to discuss it, but 5 my understanding. Maybe -- I don't think you worded 6 it quite the way that you have today, which is that 7 -- it is more like you gave the eight weeks to the 8 MPTs because you analyzed what people in that 9 position got market -- industrywide and said those 10 people should get eight weeks. 11 I am kind of more interested in what 12 analysis you have done for our positions and why you 13 think it should just be one week and not eight. Do 14 you have evidence that says people in your position 15 get one, so that is what we are going to give you? 16 That is my question, right? I don't 17 think you have been able to provide a marketplace 18 analysis of our position, which has anything to do 19 with PPTO. You guys have your wage survey, sure, 20 but we haven't seen any analysis about this kind of 21 program. 22 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. So is that an 23 information request? 24 MR. FREDRIKSEN: It is not an 25 information request. We might make an information Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 17 1 request. I have to distill the thoughts down and we 2 will discuss it, but I thought that was good 3 discussion. 4 Before I move on, does anyone else have 5 any questions about that or anything they want to 6 say? 7 MR. RAGOMO: No. Child bonding is 8 lesser for those in Collective Bargaining Unit than 9 it is for MPTs. 10 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Right. 11 MS. McCLAIN: I don't think there is 12 any distinction between the importance of child 13 bonding. It is whether or not there is a difference 14 in roles and when and how work is compensated and 15 done. That is definitely different. 16 MR. RAGOMO: You are right. You are 17 right. Yes, you make a clearer distinction between 18 the roles; yes, you do. We are lesser. It is 19 known. 20 MS. McCLAIN: I disagree. There is a 21 difference. 22 MR. RAGOMO: You are entitled to 23 disagree and be wrong. That is okay. 24 MS. McCLAIN: Any other questions? 25 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. The Company did Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 18 1 the same kind of thing with our flat-rate proposal. 2 No kind of comments about it. 3 I know -- so, the last time we talked 4 about having a flat-rate increase was with the old 5 team. A lot has changed since then. I was hoping 6 we could have some discussion about it again, why 7 the Company has entertained the notion, you know, 8 back to a percentage. 9 MS. McCLAIN: My -- at least when 10 this proposal, flat rate -- if it is a flat rate or 11 a percentage increase, you know, what we looked at 12 and are disagreeing with or rejecting is the 13 amounts. The amounts do not -- like the 2.40 is 14 well beyond -- an hour -- is well beyond the 15 Company's proposal. 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes, I will admit 17 that. 18 MS. McCLAIN: And so that is what the 19 rejection is about. Whether or not you want to turn 20 1.5 percent in the first year, 2 point percent in 21 the second year, 2.5 percent in the third year into 22 a flat dollar rate, we can discuss that. But that 23 is -- you know, our basis of rejections were based 24 on the amounts. 25 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. It wasn't a Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 19 1 rejection -- okay. You know, I just saw you 2 repropose the percentages rather than converting 3 them, and I assumed that was a dismissal of it being 4 a flat rate, but you are saying it is not. That is 5 helpful. It is the amount, particularly the last 6 year. That has been a sticking point for a long 7 time. At least I can understand that. 8 MS. McCLAIN: I didn't think that the 9 flat dollar rate -- and again, that was my 10 interpretation -- I didn't think that that was the 11 important thing to you. I thought it was the 12 amount. 13 MR. FREDRIKSEN: It is all important. 14 It is all important, but yes, we are -- we were -- 15 it was our first intention, to have a flat-rate 16 increase, going all the way back to 2018. We really 17 wanted that back then, but -- 18 MS. McCLAIN: And the rationale? 19 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Well, it is because 20 of the dispirit pay in the Bargaining Unit. It is 21 because there is such a difference between our 22 starting rate and our ending rate. 23 You know, we looked at and presented 24 data that shows that our starting rate is too low. 25 And without giving a giant percentage increase, the Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 20 1 only way to fix that is to squeeze them all together 2 and you squeeze them all together by doing a flat 3 rate increase, because it will be less of a 4 percentage the more you make and more of a 5 percentage the less you make. So it squeezes them 6 all together. Does that make sense? 7 MS. McCLAIN: It makes sense. So it 8 wouldn't necessarily be the 1.5 percent, right, in 9 the first year, right, if we converted that to a 10 flat rate? What I was interpreting you say is not 11 -- I am getting clarity from you that it is 12 something different. So for somebody -- let's say 13 it is 1.5 percent converted on -- I forget how much 14 it would turn out to be, but you are saying that a 15 lower-paid person -- getting 1.5 percent converted 16 into a dollar amount is not what you are saying. 17 You are saying it is 1.5 percent 18 converted to a dollar amount and then that dollar 19 amount applied to everyone across the board, which 20 would not come out to 1.5 percent, right? 21 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Right. Correct. So 22 it is a flat increase for the whole bargaining unit. 23 It is 50 cents for Year 1, for every single person 24 in the bargaining unit. 25 MS. McCLAIN: Right. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 21 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Right. 2 MS. McCLAIN: I understand what you 3 are saying. I still maintain our rejection was 4 based on the amounts. 5 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. 6 MS. McCLAIN: I will amend that to say 7 that the flat-rate application to everyone, 8 regardless, I didn't take your question as that. So 9 we would have to think about that. 10 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 11 Are there any other questions from the 12 team? We were working on a counterproposal, but, 13 you know, these are the questions that came up. So 14 we should caucus again and we will send you -- we 15 can send it in advance of when we get back in, but 16 it is almost lunchtime. 17 Does anybody else have any questions? 18 MR. RAGOMO: No, not at this time. 19 MS. McCLAIN: Any questions about the 20 Holiday? 21 MR. FREDRIKSEN: We are still 22 discussing some of features of the Holiday. You 23 know, like Tom brought up -- I think it was Tom. 24 MR. RAGOMO: It was. 25 MR. FREDRIKSEN: The administration of Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 22 1 the 30-days advanced notice, yes, we proposed that 2 language. But in light of the Company's last 3 sentence that they proposed, which I am not saying 4 we reject. That is not what I am saying here. It 5 is just that this change would not be subject to 6 grievance or arbitration. It is just something that 7 we would have to take a close look at. I am sure 8 you know that. If we are going have anything like 9 that in the proposal, it needs to be really strong. 10 So we are still looking at it. We are 11 discussing it. That is one of the things that we 12 were discussing. 13 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. Let us know when 14 you are ready. 15 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. Will do. 16 (Remote contract negotiations recessed 17 at 11: 53 a.m. and resumed at 1:21 p.m.) 18 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Thank you for getting 19 back together with us. We had some questions, some 20 good discussion before lunch. 21 Did you guys have a chance to go over 22 any of that stuff? 23 MS. McCLAIN: In response to your 24 question, we did, about the first question that you 25 had on the arbitration. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 23 1 So, yes, you know, our discussion from 2 before is accurate, that we would, you know, address 3 issues as they come up and go to arbitration and, 4 you know, what would -- what the arbitrator would 5 look like to determine what the outcome would be, 6 what we present in the case, and, you know, what is 7 in our contract, as well as the side agreement. We 8 are comfortable with that. 9 MR. FREDRIKSEN: So if there is an 10 arbitration ruling and there is a disagreement 11 between the ILEU and the Company on exactly what the 12 ruling means, how do we resolve that disagreement? 13 MS. McCLAIN: So this one is if there 14 is a disagreement on the arbitration, right? The 15 arbitrator makes a ruling, clarifying that 16 interpretation and it is for the Company in this 17 stance, right? Is that what you are saying? That 18 is an example, right? And how would we -- we would 19 apply that ruling, right? And if there is a 20 different dispute on a different matter, right, 21 because that is how we interpret the contract on 22 that. 23 But let's say there is a different 24 matter to address, right? You would arbitrate that 25 and get clarity on that. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 24 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: So the question 2 wasn't about whether different discrete issues crop 3 up and what happens there. The question was more 4 along the line of if there is an arbitration ruling 5 that comes out that says the Union says this doesn't 6 say that two plus two equals six, so you can't have 7 two plus two equal to six. The Company says that it 8 does say that. 9 An arbitration ruling comes out and 10 says two plus two must equal six moving forward. 11 And then we have a disagreement about what that 12 means for everything where you said two plus two 13 equals six until then. So we have a disagreement 14 that happened in an arbitration ruling in real time, 15 in real life about what it means for permanent 16 contracting moving forward. How do we resolve a 17 disagreement about what a contract ruling means if 18 we can't -- if an arbitrator can't look at that past 19 ruling? How do we resolve those disagreements? It 20 is like the same issue, right? It is not a new 21 issue. It is a same issue, but it wasn't fully 22 resolved. 23 MS. McCLAIN: You are asking what 24 happens to the current arbitration that is happening 25 if we get an agreement on this language? Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 25 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: No, no, no. It is a 2 new -- like something that happens in the future. 3 Let's think about that. Let's make it simpler. 4 MS. McCLAIN: So an issue on 5 contracting that happens in the future, right, and 6 we go to arbitration and the arbitrator makes a 7 ruling on that issue, right? 8 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Right. 9 MS. McCLAIN: Help me if you can come 10 up with a hypothetical -- 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes, so like -- 12 MS. McCLAIN: I am not really 13 following how it would be the same issue that we 14 have a dispute about. 15 MR. FREDRIKSEN: It is hard for me to 16 come up with a -- if I could come up with a 17 hypothetical that was sufficiently believable, then 18 we would just fix the proposal, right? 19 So it is hard for me to do that, to 20 really come up with a real hypothetical about the 21 proposal, because I don't know what issues are going 22 to come up in the future. 23 If we are just going to make like an 24 imaginary one, right, say that something in the 25 proposal -- notification amount, right, says Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 26 1 $250,000 for the length of this agreement. And we 2 arbitrate, does this include extensions of the 3 agreement? No, like it doesn't say that it does. 4 And then we take it to arbitration. The arbitrator 5 says it includes extensions made during bargaining, 6 right? 7 And then we have a disagreement about 8 whether that means things outside of term end of 9 contract. Like it is about the language of the 10 arbitration ruling we would then disagree about, the 11 new ruling that elaborated on this proposal. 12 How do we resolve that disagreement if 13 the next arbitrator can't even look at it? It is a 14 progressive -- your language disrupts progressive 15 interpretation of the proposal. 16 It makes it so that every time there is 17 an issue and the Union and the Company don't agree 18 to it, it has to just be arbitrated on the basis of 19 the proposal. We can't ever move forward on 20 understanding something, unless we just shake hands 21 and agree to something, but that has proven to be 22 difficult. 23 MS. McCLAIN: Maybe there is a base 24 disagreement of how we view what you are talking 25 about. I will have to go back and discuss in Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 27 1 caucus, because if there is -- about this particular 2 question that, you know, there is a ruling on an 3 issue. We disagree with the ruling. We go through 4 the process of appeals and circuit courts and all 5 that, right, to get further clarity on an issue and 6 yet there is still a concern at that point, you are 7 saying, or we have implemented and worked under that 8 agreement or the ruling, but then there is a 9 disagreement about how the Company has been acting 10 under that. 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. Basically, yes. 12 MS. McCLAIN: Is that what you are 13 saying? 14 MR. FREDRIKSEN: A ruling comes 15 through, goes through all the steps and the ruling 16 is in effect, and then we say you are not following 17 the ruling and you say to us, well, it says this; 18 and we say, no, it doesn't. It says this. 19 If we go back to an arbitrator again, 20 they just have to start over. That is not -- I 21 don't think that is good for either of us. 22 MS. McCLAIN: Let me think about 23 that, okay, because that is not what I was thinking 24 about, because it seemed that this was about a new 25 issue. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 28 1 MR. FREDRIKSEN: No, it is like the 2 same issue. 3 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 4 And then your other question, I thought 5 that was the only question that was there, because 6 the other ones you were going to take away and think 7 about still, on Ed. Refund and on Holiday. 8 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Parental Time Off. 9 MS. McCLAIN: Parental Time Off. It 10 was in the same section, sorry. 11 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. And the flat 12 rate, I took away that you don't take exception to 13 it being a flat rate, but the amounts were not 14 agreeable. 15 MS. McCLAIN: That is true. I mean, 16 we would consider it. You asked if we would 17 consider a flat rate. 18 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Right. Right. 19 It is 1:30. Do you want to discuss one 20 more time the question of the arbitrator ruling or 21 do you want to come back to that? 22 MS. McCLAIN: We are going to have to 23 come back to that, unfortunately. 24 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Before we do 25 anything, can I ask -- we haven't discussed it much Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 29 1 since it came up, since we proposed it. 2 Is the Company wholesale not interested 3 in bargaining over the LPS or -- what was it about 4 the proposal that you didn't like? Is it that you 5 don't want to have a proposal, that you don't want 6 to talk about it? Like, what is it for LPS, the 7 side agreement at the end? 8 MS. McCLAIN: I am looking it. You 9 know, when we talked about this, we felt that we had 10 the right to make changes to the LPS, give notice. 11 You know, what I can say specific to your proposal, 12 you know, having folks receive overtime on their 13 normal schedule, simply because they are away from 14 their station and participating in training specific 15 to LPS is something that we are not interested in. 16 But in general, you know, we don't see a proposal on 17 LPS as one being that is necessary. 18 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. You don't 19 think we need to -- I got you. 20 MS. McCLAIN: We will, of course, 21 consider any discussion and what you are bringing 22 forward, but specific to this one, you know, there 23 are quite a number of things here that we 24 wouldn't -- 25 MR. FREDRIKSEN: So the offer Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 30 1 originally was so that the Company doesn't have to 2 spend a billion dollars to save a million dollars. 3 You think that you have the right to have done it. 4 We say that you don't. You could spend a billion 5 dollars or whatever to litigate that issue or we 6 could just settle it. 7 I am not super interested in making the 8 Company spend money that it doesn't need to, because 9 it really doesn't. We can just bargain this. But 10 if the position of the company is that you never 11 needed to bargain it in the first place, then it is 12 a waste of time to continue to bargain the LPS 13 issue. Right? Do you agree? 14 MS. McCLAIN: I mean, we will 15 consider offers and proposals. However, you know, 16 what you have here, we don't see as being applicable 17 since, you know, training during normal business 18 hours is already addressed in the contract, you 19 know. So that is what I didn't really understand on 20 this agreement or proposed agreement. 21 MR. FREDRIKSEN: This is a -- I am 22 going to remind you, JeffeLee, that the disagreement 23 is that we have been told by the Company and 24 maintain that this was never a mandatory thing to 25 participate in. You didn't have to go to training. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 31 1 You didn't have to do LPS. You had to be safe, but 2 you didn't have to participate in the program. You 3 didn't have to do LPOs. They weren't required, 4 because changing the requirements requires 5 bargaining, and that never happened. 6 That is the -- we don't have to 7 litigate that right now, because I know you are 8 probably shaking your head, but that is the 9 disagreement, right? That is why we are proposing 10 to bargain that, so that you don't have to figure it 11 out in court, right? 12 MS. McCLAIN: I understand, you know, 13 what you are saying. Again, we have -- 14 MR. FREDRIKSEN: If it is an issue 15 that you don't like that it is premium pay, that is 16 one thing. But if the issue is the first thing that 17 you said, which is that you don't have to bargain 18 over it at all, then we won't waste our time. 19 MS. McCLAIN: Well, you know, we felt 20 that there are pieces of the contract, and the 21 notice that we gave was appropriate. 22 MR. FREDRIKSEN: All right. We can 23 -- let's take a ten-minute caucus. We will get back 24 in at 1:45. Is that okay? 25 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 32 1 (Remote contract negotiations recessed 2 at 1:35 p.m. and resumed 1:45 p.m.) 3 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Thanks for coming 4 back after a quick caucus just to see where we are 5 at. We think it would be better to flush out that 6 discussion more on the arbitration language, and if 7 you guys could take some time to discuss it, we 8 could start with that next time. 9 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 10 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Does that sound good? 11 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. When are you 12 guys next available? 13 MR. FREDRIKSEN: I personally am not 14 taking any vacation for the holiday season, but I am 15 sure that some members of the team are. We will 16 figure out what the holiday vacation schedule is 17 going to be like for our team, and we will get back 18 to you. 19 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. 20 MR. FREDRIKSEN: And if you could do 21 the same, like none of us are available at this time 22 that would be helpful too. 23 MS. McCLAIN: Will do. Like, I said, 24 I am out until the 10th. 25 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. Like that, for Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 33 1 example. 2 MS. McCLAIN: As of right now, those 3 are my plans. 4 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 5 MS. McCLAIN: We will check and give 6 you some dates. And then if you can, give us some 7 dates. 8 I wish everyone a good holiday. 9 Just to clarify, we will work on the 10 arbitration language question. We have some things 11 that we talked through, but ten minutes just wasn't 12 enough. 13 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. 14 MS. McCLAIN: Was there anything 15 else, then? 16 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Yes. I am going to 17 put together a more flushed-out info request 18 regarding the PPTO stuff we talked about. I just 19 don't have it right now. We are going to have an 20 info request sent to you. 21 MS. McCLAIN: Okay. Any questions, 22 additional question on the Holiday, right? 23 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Right. If we have 24 any, we will send it to you so we can clear that up. 25 We are just -- Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 34 1 MS. McCLAIN: No problem. I 2 understand. 3 MR. FREDRIKSEN: We just don't want 4 to rush into a counterproposal. 5 MS. McCLAIN: All right. We will 6 work on that, and if anything comes up between 7 then -- unfortunately, for me, a vacation really 8 isn't a vacation. E-mail me, Yuk, Josh and we will 9 respond, of course. 10 MR. FREDRIKSEN: Okay. 11 (Remote contract negotiations adjourned 12 at 1:48 p.m.) 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 35 1 2 CERTIFICATE 3 4 I, RITA GARDNER, Notary Public of the 5 State of New Jersey and a Certified Court Reporter, 6 do hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and 7 accurate transcript of the remote testimony as taken 8 stenographically by and before me at the time and on 9 the date hereinbefore set forth. 10 I DO FURTHER CERTIFY that I am neither a 11 relative nor employee nor attorney nor counsel of any 12 of the parties to this action, and that I am neither 13 a relative or employee of such attorney or counsel, 14 and that I am not financially interested in the 15 action. 16 17 18 Notary Public of the State of New Jersey 19 20 Dated: December 18, 2021 21 22 23 24 25 Rita Gardner ~ Court Reporter ~ (908) 319-1195 $ $250,000 [1] - 26:1 1 1 [2] - 3:8, 20:23 1.5 [6] - 18:20, 20:8, 20:13, 20:15, 20:17, 20:20 10 [6] - 3:4, 3:5, 3:16, 3:24, 5:15 10:05 [1] - 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